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On Fri, 2/21/2025 10:51 AM, Davey wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 07:10:31 -0500
> Paul wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2/20/2025 4:59 AM, Davey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 15:26:51 -0500
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2/17/2025 6:32 AM, Davey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cd ~
>>>>> ls -a
>>>>> (bunch of stuff)
>>>>> .mozilla
>>>>> (bunch more stuff)
>>>>> cd .mozilla
>>>>> ls
>>>>> extensions
>>>>>
>>>>> No sign of Firefox (nor TB, but that's probably in snap).
>>>>>
>>>>> In all, this is pointless. I will try something different, whether
>>>>> it's Ubuntu 24.04, or Linux Mint, which I am currently
>>>>> downloading.
>>>>>
>>>>> More later, thanks for help.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm going back outside in a moment, but I'll make the general
>>>> comment that these two things, are stored in different areas.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Big snip for brevity.
>
> Another big snip.
>
>> sudo dmesg # If it complained on the first attempt
>>
>> and you can see notations of things amiss in there. But
>> not all conditions (like the missing swap) are immediately
>> apparent. The "top" command can show the state of swap,
>> whether the quantity of swap is zero, or some swap is now
>> in service.
>>
>> Paul
>
> Returning to my Thunderbird problem. remember that it works almost
> completely on the Desktop, including Local Folders. But on the laptop, I
> cannot get the Local Folders to work. I shut down TB, then copy the
> Local Folders files from the backup into the correct folder in the
> working TB profile's folders, but they don't appear.
>
> I was wondering whether to:
>
> 1. Create a new fresh profile, as there are some extra files and
> remnants of old profiles floating around.
> Or:
>
> 2.a. Purge Thunderbird, to get rid of anything that is incorrect.
> Google seems happy to restore my .gmail accounts.
> 2.b. Reinstall TB from scratch. Use snap?
>
> I have also found that my backed-up Local Folder files are not complete,
> which puzzles me. They were done nightly using an rsync script. What's
> gone is gone.
> But I have some .msf files, which appear to contain loads of messages. I
> need to see if I can convert them into individual messages again.
>
> Any help welcome.
>
.msf is Mork Summary File. It contains the headers of the messages.
in a database format. If a .msf is erased for example, a new one
can be re-built from available information.
In particular, if you had a large Inbox, and the Inbox.msf got
erased, Thunderbird will scan the Inbox file and make a new Inbox.msf .
The "status" of messages, such as whether they have been Read or not,
would not necessarily be correct.
The Inbox itself, is a text file, and it has a couple Mozilla status lines
at the top of each message. These are inserted by Thunderbird, so that when
a .msf is derived later, those status lines can provide some of the information
needed. (Thunderbird also supports separate .eml files in a folder,
and can scan all of those to make a .msf .)
An IMAP account, may not have the same local file content as a POP3 account
would.
One stores content on the server (such that multiple clients can be used to
read emails without conflicting with one another). The POP3 is likely to
populate
a master client with the emails, and can remove them from the server so that
the
server is not clogged.
GMail is different, in that GMail stores internal mails in the AllBox (Google
Server).
GMail uses comment lines like Mozilla Thunderbird does, only with
GMail they are "tags" indicating which boxes should receive a copy
of the message in the AllBox.
AllBox#1 Sent, Inbox # When you send an email to yourself,
no TCPIP traffic results.
# The server simply adds the "Inbox"
tag, to the "Sent" tag
# already associated with the message.
# You can examine your AllBox, using
Google TakeOut
# for download of the box as a ZIP
file. This is how I know
# what the tags are. I did a TakeOut to
get my file.
Because GMail has this clever scheme, this can result in the odd surprise
for the user. Just as long as you remember that GMail has only one box,
it may be easier to understand how parts of the scheme work.
Recent versions of Thunderbird, do not particularly tolerate foreign
file types in the folder structure. I have had .7z files removed from
such folders -- the files used to be tolerated, but they get removed
on newer versions of the software.
The Inbox should be an MBOX format. There could be rules about
what character sets are allowed. It might be important, if manually
editing an MBOX file, to not change the character set to UTF-8 from ANSI
or similar. You want the file to be recognizable as an MBOX file.
If in doubt, use a hex editor, to see if any foreign material is present
in the file.
To give an example, I was having troubles one day. Using a hex editor,
I quickly scrolled through the file in question. *There was a hunk of binary*
This can happen on a file system error, a disk problem, and so on. Once
I cleaned up the mess manually and removed the binary material (I can do that
with the hex editor), the file worked again. I've only had one corruption
like that, in a lot of years usage.
You can use the Linux "file" command on an MBOX
file Inbox
and it will tell you what kind of text file it is. There are more
than 100 declaration types available from the file command, concerning
the contents of Text files. Some of the declarations indicate a
problem with the file that needs your attention (and in particular,
a quick check with a hex editor, to determine whether a major
corruption is present).
For further help, you can try this group. It was created after
the private Mozilla domain was disconnected. There is a group
with a similar name, for Firefox.
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
Paul
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