From: frede@mouse-potato.com   
      
   Lawrence D'Oliveiro  writes:   
      
   > On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 09:17:25 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:   
   >   
   >> Today, Debian stable has release 6.06 from December 2022, i.e. 27 months   
   >> old.   
   >>   
   >> So in terms of the Zawinski’s complaint post the situation has   
   >> deteriorated. Although I think the underlying issue is that he doesn’t   
   >> (or didn’t) believe in stable releases while Debian and its users do.   
   >   
   > Remember also that the xscreensaver driver doesn’t work under Wayland,   
   > whereas distros like Debian and others are moving heavily to support   
   > Wayland.   
      
      
   Xscreensaver becoming obsolete in the future does not mean the problem   
   doesn't exist. I'm sure there are other packages with similar issues   
   that aren't X-dependent and thus won't become obsolete. It could happen   
   to software that uses Wayland too.   
      
   In addition, I feel that we'll continue to see X in use for a while   
   yet. I imagine there will also be communities that reject Wayland,   
   similar to Devuan rejecting systemd.   
      
   This was just an illustration of how distro's packaging and maintaining   
   all the software they make available is not without problems, and is not   
   IMO one-size-fits-all.   
      
   I can see why some developers would want something like Flatpak, Snap,   
   AppImage, etc. So far I lean towards not really liking these things, but   
   I've been using Debian-derived distros for a long time and am used to   
   that style of package management. (Although Arch's pacman is a very nice   
   tool too.)   
      
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