From: nospam@needed.invalid   
      
   On Tue, 11/11/2025 10:34 PM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:   
   > I was testing Debian "Trixie" and it has an option to install   
   > itself alongside your existing OS, and you can do this by selecting   
   > a single option. But 'buntu makes you repartition your disk-drive manually.   
      
   Oh, you mean the install sequence where the installer actually   
   works for the user? Hahaha.   
      
   How about if the installer had a two sentence description of   
   the neanderthal approach the distro individual has chosen to use.   
      
     "We boot on a Legacy only computer, and we do a UEFI secure   
      boot installation for the user, we suppress the GRUB errors   
      while doing so, wish the user well, and and... reboot".   
      
   I'm willing to bet, in the installer design studio, there   
   is a tick box that includes what you wanted (the "side by side" option),   
   and it has been unticked by someone.   
      
   Whatever rational thought went into installs five to seven   
   years ago, the thread has been lost and evolution is   
   now running backwards again.   
      
   It's much too soon, to be trimming the install sequence   
   down and making a non-functional basket case out of it.   
      
   I'm having to do "sistering installs", to get a result here.   
   Yes, the second install requires manual work, as you would expect.   
   The "Something Else" option is being used on the second install.   
      
     +-----+---------------------------+---------------------------   
   --------------------+   
     | MBR | LM213 Legacy Boot install | Nasty/Obfuscated "UEFI install attempt"   
   distro |   
     +-----+---------------------------+---------------------------   
   --------------------+   
       Tip upright with Yannbuntu Boot Repair DVD, if it doesn't work for you   
      
   The OSProber can pick up and rescue the half-baked distros.   
      
   I've had some recent sample distros, upon doing a "Something Else",   
   they dump you into GParted and tell you to "go right ahead,   
   just try and guess what set of partitions we want you to make".   
   Like if a distro helpfully offers "you should make a one megabyte BIOS   
   Partition now",   
   what does that mean ? I bet Linux Grandma knows. But does Windows Grandma know   
   ?   
   I think that might be a reference to some sort of GPT partition type for   
   that purpose. A person who is only familiar with Legacy installs   
   and Primary Partitions, isn't going to have a clue what the   
   install is blathering about.   
      
   At one time, the excuse was "we haven't finished writing the installer yet,   
   and it is what it is". Now, the excuse is "yes, we have this fine installer   
   they did for us, and we are doing our utmost to ruin it".   
      
      Paul   
      
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