From: nomail@hotmail.com   
      
   On 10/21/25 12:27, Paul wrote:   
   > On Tue, 10/21/2025 4:46 AM, Edmund wrote:   
   >> GPU advise?   
   >>   
   >> Planning to go 4k and interested in Kali.   
   >> Don't really care about gaming but Hi(er) frame rate   
   >> in 4k on two monitors is a must, any suggestion and why?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> ps   
   >> I read that although AMD works well nowadays, it doesn't support   
   >> something needed for Hashcat (CUDA 5)   
   >   
   > 2D acceleration support, has not advanced in years.   
   >   
   > 3D support could be in the form of OpenGL or Vulcan,   
   > and that can uses shaders on a card. The main acceleration   
   > you might see then, is when gaming. For the games that use   
   > accelerated 3D.   
   >   
   > CUDA is part of that 3D support. and also runs shader CUDA   
   > programs, where "computation is a side effect of pumping   
   > other constructs through the shader engine". You can crack   
   > passwords, just as easily as playing a game.   
   >   
   > The lowest end current generation card is an RTX5050,   
   > which would be gutless, but a bit stronger than a GTX1650.   
   > The RTX5050 might be $250 USD. The RTX5090 might be $2000.   
   > In all cases, the cards don't feel like value for money,   
   > when compared to the price range of some previous generations.   
   >   
   > AMD and Intel are OpenCL for computation rather than CUDA.   
   >   
   > But just for the record, I've had considerable trouble   
   > getting adventurous programs to use CUDA when it is offered.   
   > A lot of programs will annoy you, by using the CPU version   
   > of OpenCL. And after you've spent a lot of money,   
   > receiving "resistance" from the application software,   
   > is more than a bit unnerving.   
   >   
   > I don't think my CUDA ever cracked a password, because   
   > of the problems getting it to engage. Yes, 2GB of libraries   
   > were loaded. I ticked all the boxes for the SDK on both programs.   
   >   
   > I did manage to compile the "Smoke Demo" on Windows in Visual Studio   
   > Community Edition, and that used CUDA OK. But some other codes,   
   > like some stuff in KALI, I was getting refusal to proceed with   
   > the CUDA and it just used the CPU (and promised a cracked   
   > password in about 13 years or so).   
   >   
   > Here is a table I keep for this. The cards use closed loop feedback   
   > when running the silicon, and the power limit is policed by the   
   > hardware. The driver adjusts the card clock, so the power is not exceeded.   
   > An RTX5060 Ti 16GB for $430, would give 4608 CUDA cores and   
   > be similar to a GTX1080 from 8 to 10 years ago. At least the three   
   > top cards in the list, will require a power supply with a different   
   > connector on it. You'll have to check the prices to re-calibrate my   
   > numbers.   
   >   
   > RTX 5090          GB202-300   21,760  32 GB, 512-bit  575 W   $2,000   
   > RTX 5080 Super    GB203-450   10,752  24 GB, 256-bit ~415 W   TBD   
   > RTX 5080          GB203-400   10,752  16 GB, 256-bit  360 W   $1,000   
   > RTX 5070 Ti Super GB203-350    8,960  24 GB, 256-bit  350 W   TBD   
   > RTX 5070 Ti       GB203-200    8,960  16 GB, 256-bit  300 W     $750   
   > RTX 5070 Super    GB205-400    6,400  18 GB, 192-bit  275 W   TBD   
   > RTX 5070          GB205-300-A1 6,144  12 GB, 192-bit  250 W     $550   
   > RTX 5060 Ti       GB205-300    4,608  8/16G, 128-bit  180 W   $380 / $430   
   > RTX 5060          GB206-250    3,840   8 GB, 128-bit  145 W   $300   
   > RTX 5050          GB207        2,560   8 GB, 128-bit  130 W   $250   
   >   
   > When you look at a "bazaar seller" listing, like BestBuy, you might   
   > see this.   
   >   
   >     RTX5090     $4000   
   >     RTX5090     $2000  <=== retail store price on the BestBuy shelf   
   >     RTX5090     $4000  <=== scalper price, from outside the store   
   >                             They bought all the cards up, to make them   
   scarce.   
   >   
   > When you click a button for "show me retail items only" the list   
   > changes to show just the $2000 item.   
   >   
   >     RTX5090     $2000   
   >   
   > One day I was looking through the list, and I was seeing a sea of   
   > $4000 items, and I was saying to myself "this can't be right", I   
   > checked and I had forgotten to tick the box to cut out the   
   > scalpers. If at first the prices don't seem right, make sure   
   > you've eliminated the dodgy private sellers from the list.   
   >   
   > I don't consider cards like this, to be an especially great value.   
   > If you want real horsepower, the prices have gone through the roof.   
   >   
   > The cards come in different lengths. The "$250 USD" card is   
   > $400 in local currency here, it has three fans (which is patently   
   > ridiculous). There are also cards with two fans, and they are   
   > more likely to fit in the PC. Not all PCs can accept long cards,   
   > the cards can bump into your Southbridge heatsink or bump   
   > into the SATA right-angle connectors.   
   >   
   > The cards are at a minimum, dual slot. Make sure the metalwork   
   > on your case, does not "conflict" with the flat two-slot-wide metal   
   > plate on the faceplate. I have one PC case, where a two slot card   
   > binds when you try to insert it. If I empty the case and take   
   > it into the shop and bash it with a hammer... I can fix that.   
   >   
   > A couple of my power supplies, have multiple 2x4 connectors and that   
   > might be sufficient up to 300W. Check the card picture for   
   > evidence of the connector type there. If shopping that table   
   > there, and not going too high up into the table, my 750W PSU would   
   > likely be sufficient. For the top card in the list, I'd have to   
   > go shop for a new 1200W supply with the 16 pin connector (2x6+4, the   
   > 4 pins are status/declaration pins). The bottom card in the list   
   > might have a 2x3 or a 2x4 on it, and the PSU that have 2x4   
   > connectors, the end part unsnaps to convert the connector into   
   > a 2x3. All the supplies in the room, have at least one   
   > connector for the bottom card in the list.   
   >   
   > The BestBuy would likely have the 5070 and the 5070 Ti, due to   
   > the prices being "mid-range" and that's the range they want   
   > to sell into. My real computer store has a wider stock,   
   > but their stocking levels are not good. For example, when I   
   > wanted an 8TB hard drive for backups, the chain of stores   
   > had exactly one of those drives in stock and that was it.   
   > While they list a lot of products, some listings aren't   
   > all that real.   
   >   
   > You can use the listing here, to compare horsepower on the cards.   
   > The amount of VRAM is important, but this benchmark does not   
   > take that into account. For games, you want a decent amount,   
   > which is why I picked out the 16GB card to cover gaming.   
   > The $430 card then, the 16GB one, it's a way to get a 16GB   
   > card, with some number of CUDA on it.   
   >   
   >    https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html   
   >   
   > The utility here, does not depict all the hardware resources   
   > in a card. But this is just to show you what you might see   
   > after buying one.   
   >   
   >    # Review (not all cards get a review)   
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