XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: nospam@needed.invalid   
      
   On Mon, 10/27/2025 12:14 PM, Stan Brown wrote:   
   > On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 08:14:46 -0400, Alan K. wrote:   
   >> DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.   
   >> Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.   
   >>   
   >> Short read.   
   >>   
   >> https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa   
   >   
   >   
   > Thanks for pointing this out, Alan.   
   >   
   > I've heard of distrowatch but never visited the site. As someone who   
   > intended four years ago to dual-boot Linux and Windows but hasn't   
   > done squat about it yet, I value the simple and clear advice in that   
   > article. Linux Mint may or may not be the best distro for me in the   
   > long run, but it's a starting point -- as the author points out I can   
   > always change later.   
   >   
      
   I prefer to let people test for themselves and learn   
   from their mistakes, but if I must, if my hand is forced   
   by "advice" articles, I'll comment.   
      
   1) Linux Mint has one software offering with 5.15 kernel.   
      This is most likely to run properly on ten year old PCs.   
      If the Ex-Windows users are inconvenienced by their   
      ten year old PC (too old for the WinOptions, fit for the garbage),   
      then a ten year old compatible solution should be quoted.   
      Jesse Smith tested with *way too modern* hardware   
      for this test. That is a disservice to the readers.   
      Jesse probably didn't even notice which 6.x kernel was running.   
      Yes, 6.x runs fine... *on new hardware*.   
      
   2) Wayland runs at half the speed of X11. Does anyone care ?   
      Not really. But I bet... someone with sad ass hardware cares.   
      Nobody sporting a 14900K and an RXT5090 cares about this.   
      
   3) Absolutely nobody fucking well cares about low end or old   
      hardware. The Puppy days are gone forever. That's why we pulled   
      up the ramp on the old video cards and dissed them. This article   
      is merely more of the same. Why not pick a decrepit piece   
      of crap and do a more realistic test ? For example, my   
      Optiplex 780 with E8400 dual core and HD6450 video card,   
      now that's a typical mom'pop box bought on a budget, a   
      refurb. A castoff. And because it does not have POPCNT,   
      you cannot force W11 into it. Will a 6.x kernel and no video   
      driver work for me, a mere mom'pop user ?   
      
   There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware"   
   article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford   
   new hardware". Microsoft proposes we all buy new hardware,   
   and I can't see us recommending we all buy Jesse's test machine.   
      
   The point is, the Linux ecosystem has now positioned itself,   
   so it works just excellently on new hardware... just like   
   Windows would. Hardly anyone can address the older equipment   
   crowd.   
      
   And that's the article I want someone knowledgeable to write.   
   We should be encouraging people, by showing them how equipment   
   real people own, would run with the materials in question.   
      
   Who the hell wants Wayland sucking the good out of my   
   HD6450 ? Will my weak processor make up the difference   
   by doing fallback rendering ?   
      
   I have *plenty* of experience with this, having run   
   Linux VMs in "Virtual PC for Windows", no drivers,   
   no acceleration, no mercy. (Virtual PC is virtualization   
   with only one CPU core, no video acceleration, fallback   
   rendering relying on a CPU core for its operation.)   
   I know what it's like to use shit that doesn't run well.   
   It's a disservice to have people erasing their C: drive   
   and stepping into this with actual *physical* installs   
   into an unknown environment. Who will help them when   
   they're squealing ???   
      
   I would not have minded this article, if the promoted OS offering   
   had 5.15 kernel, as fewer individuals would be inconvenienced   
   by what they don't know about the situation. If my hardware   
   was only three years old, yes, the new shiny would be fine.   
   Both situations should be addressed. There is actually a sharp   
   divide here, *new* hardware left-only, *old* hardware right-only.   
      
   https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint   
      
                   7-LMDE gigi    21.3 Virginia   
                   -----------    -------------   
   Release Date    2025-10-14     2024-01-10   
                   2030-06        2027-04   
      
   Package         7-LMDE gigi    21.3 Virginia   
      
   linux (6.17.5)   6.12.48       5.15           <=== release kernel with package   
      
   There are two crowds out there. The group throwing out their   
   computers, are the people who are "right-only" column people.   
      
      Paul   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)