XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: G6JPG@255soft.uk   
      
   On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote:   
      
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   > 3) Absolutely nobody fucking well cares about low end or old   
      
   Either Linux _or_ Windows.   
      
   >    hardware. The Puppy days are gone forever. That's why we pulled   
   >    up the ramp on the old video cards and dissed them. This article   
   >    is merely more of the same. Why not pick a decrepit piece   
   >    of crap and do a more realistic test ? For example, my   
      
   Because, as you said, nobody cares.   
      
   >    Optiplex 780 with E8400 dual core and HD6450 video card,   
   >    now that's a typical mom'pop box bought on a budget, a   
   >    refurb. A castoff. And because it does not have POPCNT,   
   >    you cannot force W11 into it. Will a 6.x kernel and no video   
   >    driver work for me, a mere mom'pop user ?   
   >   
   > There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware"   
   > article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford   
      
   Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do".   
      
      
   > new hardware". Microsoft proposes we all buy new hardware,   
   > and I can't see us recommending we all buy Jesse's test machine.   
   >   
   > The point is, the Linux ecosystem has now positioned itself,   
   > so it works just excellently on new hardware... just like   
   > Windows would. Hardly anyone can address the older equipment   
   > crowd.   
   >   
   > And that's the article I want someone knowledgeable to write.   
   > We should be encouraging people, by showing them how equipment   
   > real people own, would run with the materials in question.   
   >   
   > Who the hell wants Wayland sucking the good out of my   
   > HD6450 ? Will my weak processor make up the difference   
   > by doing fallback rendering ?   
      
   The usual response is something like "why should we expend effort   
   supporting old hardware" (especially if it requires different drivers).   
      
   Some of us oldsters - and I don't know what proportion; it may be   
   "shamed" into not speaking up (or buying new hardware) - wonder what is   
   it that _makes_ hardware _old_; there's certainly a strong _suspicion_   
   that "improvements" in OSs are mostly countered by the higher hardware   
   requirements it needs. In particular, I have never understood why the   
   advances in graphics processing have been "necessary" for anyone not   
   into gaming and its consequent rendering needs.   
      
   >   
   > I have *plenty* of experience with this, having run   
   > Linux VMs in "Virtual PC for Windows", no drivers,   
   > no acceleration, no mercy. (Virtual PC is virtualization   
   > with only one CPU core, no video acceleration, fallback   
   > rendering relying on a CPU core for its operation.)   
   > I know what it's like to use shit that doesn't run well.   
      
   :-)   
      
   > It's a disservice to have people erasing their C: drive   
   > and stepping into this with actual *physical* installs   
   > into an unknown environment. Who will help them when   
   > they're squealing ???   
      
   Certainly, the cheapness of "drive" capacity is such that erasing,   
   rather than dual-booting, is something to be avoided, IMO, at least for   
   a transitional period.   
      
   >   
   > I would not have minded this article, if the promoted OS offering   
   > had 5.15 kernel, as fewer individuals would be inconvenienced   
   > by what they don't know about the situation. If my hardware   
   > was only three years old, yes, the new shiny would be fine.   
   > Both situations should be addressed. There is actually a sharp   
   > divide here, *new* hardware left-only, *old* hardware right-only.   
      
   []   
      
   > There are two crowds out there. The group throwing out their   
   > computers, are the people who are "right-only" column people.   
   >   
   >    Paul   
   And are laughed it, mostly. By both Windows and Linux crowds (and I   
   think Apple crowds too).   
      
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