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   From: G6JPG@255soft.uk   
      
   On 2025/10/28 9:6:53, Paul wrote:   
   > On Tue, 10/28/2025 3:13 AM, Handsome Jack wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 02:09:38 -0400, Paul wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> Some of our recyclers here, closed a couple years ago. There simply   
   >>> isn't enough capacity to absorb the discarded machines now.   
      
   Basically, the state of computing - I would say somewhere between about   
   1995 and 2010 - reached the point where most of the hurdles had been   
   overcome, and computers do what people want: effort in designing/selling   
   new ones ha to switch more into _inventing_ extra things to convince   
   people they "must have". Yes, improvements in _storage_ are an   
   exception; improvements in _processing power_ in theory as well, but   
   with the exception of gaming and similar niche, are sadly mostly   
   absorbed by coding inefficiency - and that is really _nobody's fault_:   
   coding _tools_ nowadays use less efficient means, and it's not cost   
   effective to do otherwise.   
      
   _Reliability_ of _harware_ has improved such that the (approximately)   
   three to five year cycle is on the whole _not_ driven by that. So - in   
   order to keep the industry (both harware and software) _going_ -   
   obsolescence (and security) FUD has to be upped.   
      
   >>> The waste removal will not accept them. They'll sit on the curb.   
      
   (Here in UK, local authorities will take anything, though you have to   
   take it to a recycling centre; what _they_ actually _do_ with them, I   
   have no idea - and I rather suspect more of it goes to landfill than   
   they would admit. there isn't usually a specific computer container to   
   drop them into - just electrical, so they'd go in with vacuum cleaners,   
   lights, toasters, and the like.)   
      
   >>> Most likely, you'll look on country roads, and next to the refrigerator   
   >>> and sofa off the side of the road, will now be added PCs. And that will   
   >>> be our legacy. A PC to go with their "household" stored on the side of   
   >>> the road.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Here in London, you leave anything vaguely metal out in the front drive,   
   >> the pikeys have taken it away in a few hours.   
   >>   
   Probably to (illegally of course) dump it not much further down the road.>   
   > Sure, there is some value in the component parts. But   
   > part of the market for those component parts, those   
   > machines are being thrown out, so there are fewer people   
   > looking for DDR3 sticks for a machine.   
   >   
   > You could lift them off the curb and recycle the metal bits   
   > to the iron monger. I don't know what kind of money you can earn   
   > doing that. Taking apart PCs isn't cheap in terms of hours of labour.   
   >   
   > We had recycling companies, and I think they were in it, for the items   
   > turned in that could readily be sold. Carrying an inventory that isn't   
   > moving, does not work for them. A pikey can make a few bucks, but   
   > is it enough to live off ?   
      
   The sort of "Mom and Pop" (usually just one chap) computer store that   
   used to be common, where you could go to buy a second-hand computer, or   
   parts, virtually no longer exists; I'd say here, only about one such to   
   every five or ten large towns. I can only think of one I'd fully qualify   
   in that way, and two others - one who sells parts (along with other   
   electrical components, such as drive belts for things like tape   
   recorders), and one who sells/repairs laptops - within an hour or two's   
   drive of me. (Much the same as electronic repairs in general; Tandy   
   [sort of UK arm of Radio Shack] and Maplin both closed, decades ago I   
   think. Most home electronics isn't thought of as repairable these days -   
   and, cost-effectively anyway, isn't.)>   
   >    Paul   
   John   
      
      
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