XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org   
      
   On 28/10/2025 5:38 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:   
   > On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote:   
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   >> 3) Absolutely nobody fucking well cares about low end or old   
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   > Either Linux _or_ Windows.   
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   >>     hardware. The Puppy days are gone forever. That's why we pulled   
   >>     up the ramp on the old video cards and dissed them. This article   
   >>     is merely more of the same. Why not pick a decrepit piece   
   >>     of crap and do a more realistic test ? For example, my   
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   > Because, as you said, nobody cares.   
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   >>     Optiplex 780 with E8400 dual core and HD6450 video card,   
   >>     now that's a typical mom'pop box bought on a budget, a   
   >>     refurb. A castoff. And because it does not have POPCNT,   
   >>     you cannot force W11 into it. Will a 6.x kernel and no video   
   >>     driver work for me, a mere mom'pop user ?   
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   >> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware"   
   >> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford   
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   > Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do".   
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   >> new hardware". Microsoft proposes we all buy new hardware,   
   >> and I can't see us recommending we all buy Jesse's test machine.   
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   >> The point is, the Linux ecosystem has now positioned itself,   
   >> so it works just excellently on new hardware... just like   
   >> Windows would. Hardly anyone can address the older equipment   
   >> crowd.   
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   >> And that's the article I want someone knowledgeable to write.   
   >> We should be encouraging people, by showing them how equipment   
   >> real people own, would run with the materials in question.   
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   >> Who the hell wants Wayland sucking the good out of my   
   >> HD6450 ? Will my weak processor make up the difference   
   >> by doing fallback rendering ?   
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   > The usual response is something like "why should we expend effort   
   > supporting old hardware" (especially if it requires different drivers).   
      
   But 'they' aren't "supporting old hardware", they are supporting   
   hardware when it is current (5 years ago, 10 years ago, whatever), they   
   are DISABLING support for 'old' hardware.   
      
   That is ... if they just left what they had THERE and then added stuff   
   for the NEW hardware, they could support both 'old' and 'new'!!   
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   > Some of us oldsters - and I don't know what proportion; it may be   
   > "shamed" into not speaking up (or buying new hardware) - wonder what is   
   > it that _makes_ hardware _old_; there's certainly a strong _suspicion_   
   > that "improvements" in OSs are mostly countered by the higher hardware   
   > requirements it needs. In particular, I have never understood why the   
   > advances in graphics processing have been "necessary" for anyone not   
   > into gaming and its consequent rendering needs.   
      
   I can remember when keyboards *didn't* have "Windows" keys.   
      
   Function Keys, sure. CTRL Keys, sure. Alt Keys, sure.   
      
   But no "Windows" keys!! (and there's another key there but I don't know   
   what IT's called)   
      
   Bottom line of keys on this keyboard ....   
   CTRL	Unknown	Windows	Alt	Space		Alt	Windows	CTRL   
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   Daniel70   
      
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