XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: nospam@needed.invalid   
      
   On Wed, 10/29/2025 9:12 AM, MikeS wrote:   
   > On 29/10/2025 11:31, Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   >> Mike Easter  wrote:   
   >>> MikeS wrote:   
   >>>> To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well   
   >>>> away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a   
   >>>> warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer user,   
   >>>> i.e. a geek like them.   
   >>>   
   >>> I disagree. In the great milieu of linux help areas, there is but a   
   >>> relatively small percentage of that type thing.  Grow a thicker skin;   
   >>> some condescension isn't going to hurt you; the world is full of that   
   >>> kind of behavior, it isn't unique to linux help.   
   >>   
   >>    IME, it *is* unique to Linux help. And that's being said by a 40++   
   >> year Unix/UNIX veteran.   
   >>   
   >>    Yes, there may be exceptions, but in the Linux newsgroups,   
   >> condescension is way more common than in for example Windows and Android   
   >> newsgroups.   
   >>   
   >>    But perhaps the condescension is mainly on *Usenet*?   
   >   
   > Not entirely. This thread is on Usenet but its purpose was to recommend an   
   article which is presented as advice for new Linux users. To my mind its key   
   advice was don't waste your time unless you are a "responsible adult".   
   >   
   > The vast majority of Windows (or MacOS) users will never meet *that writer's*   
   > definition of a "responsible adult". Strangely, I think their language is   
   > condescending but welcome the advice to avoid Linux unless you want to enter   
   > a geek-like world.   
      
   Whatever we offer people as alternatives, it has to be "frictionless".   
   If there are 400 million people to help, and we have to spend an hour   
   with each one, that's 400 million man-hours. There may not be that   
   many people available to serve as helpers.   
      
   Some of the distros, are fairly thinly manned, which indicates that   
   there was never an excess of talent sitting around with nothing to do   
   in each distro. Some distros don't have anyone to help with testing.   
      
   Look at your local hospital some time, and discover the education   
   distribution. A lot of the people "running machines", are trainees with   
   no relevant experience in the health field. When I would need an echo,   
   the echo technician (they know their stuff), they were spread thin, and   
   they worked one day a week in five different medical centers. You would   
   be told "our guy only comes on Wednesday". That's an example of how thin   
   we run things in the medical field. Linux isn't really all that different,   
   in terms of head count.   
      
   Google has a project, to make a ChromeBook out of your laptop. The   
   installer only works with computers that have an iGPU. If it sniffs   
   an NVidia card, the installer stops, and it does not put any icons   
   on the screen. No error message is shown. (I was sitting there   
   watching this, and wondering what the hell they were thinking.)   
   When I plugged the installer into my laptop (without actually   
   doing an install), the icons appeared in the GUI, and that's   
   how I knew what the "problem" was. I expect the procedure would   
   complete reasonably well, right up to the point you're asked for   
   a gmail.com address for access to any Store. That comes close to   
   doing the job, but it still has the rough edges of not   
   reporting things on screen like it might. And that one, reformats   
   the entire drive, so don't be leaving your wedding photos on that one.   
      
      Paul   
      
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