XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: nospam@needed.invalid   
      
   On Thu, 10/30/2025 11:59 AM, s|b wrote:   
   > On 30 Oct 2025 15:22:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   >   
   >> s|b wrote:   
   >   
   > 8< snip - switching to Linux >8   
   >>> The main thing that hold me back is the loss of the freeware that I use   
   >>> on W11. The only paid software I have is W11, Dashcam Viewer and Forté   
   >>> Agent and I definitely don't want to loose that. I know it runs under   
   >>> Wine (sort of), but it doesn't support SSL, so I would have to work with   
   >>> something like stunnel.   
   >   
   >>   Exactly! "It's the apps, stupid!" No point changing to a 'better' OS   
   >> if it can't run your software.   
   >>   
   >>   That's why I, a Unix/UNIX veteran, still use Windows. For historical   
   >> (hysterical?) reasons, I'm using Windows.  Way, way too much effort to   
   >> switch to a 'better' OS. And *why*? To *lose* functionality/   
   >> compatibility? Yeah right!   
   >   
   > Can I ask how you run Windows? Is that some sort of VM or perhaps on   
   > other hardware?   
   >   
      
   Some people here, run anything-on-anything.   
      
   Others are content to run their OS as a native-only thing.   
      
   Every install I've got, there is a good probability it has   
   a VirtualBox. My daily driver has VirtualBox, VMWare, WSL2/WSLg.   
   And, I can run *all* of those at the same time, as I have   
   the RAM for it. They're all Hypervisor-clients and run under   
   the Hypervisor in Windows (since Win8 or so).   
      
   The only thing that doesn't work here, is I've never   
   been able to get nested VMs to run. We used to do that   
   in the year 2000, but we can't do it today (unless born   
   lucky perhaps). It's easier to do that in heterogeneous   
   circumstances (at some cost to speed of execution). We   
   could put a copy of Windows hosting a copy of Windows   
   hosting a copy of Windows, on a Sparc (different instruction set).   
   Yes, that's slow.   
      
   To virtualize things, you need rooted or rootless operation,   
   and rootless virtualization takes less space. WinXP Mode   
   on Win7 was rootless. WSL2/WSLg is rootless. Virtualbox   
   is rooted (draws a rectangle with the entire desktop inside   
   plus the windows within that OS, all rendered). With rootless,   
   just the foreign window from the virtual machine, pops up   
   on the screen. When I run Linux Firefox, just the Linux Firefox   
   window pops up, and the Linux desktop is "not visible".   
      
   You've probably seen my Apple OS running in a window   
   on my daily driver. That's a rooted presentation, showing   
   an entire desktop and not just program windows.   
      
      [Picture]   
      
       https://i.postimg.cc/jdKTvJDs/Big-Sur-4930-K-VM.gif   
      
   I have an ARM folding-computer rooted desktop I could   
   show you, and that's a demo by Microsoft which I haven't   
   taken out of storage recently, as there's really   
   nothing to do in there. Even an ARM executable can   
   run on my AMD processor. It's a heterogeneous VM inside.   
      
   But you don't have to do any of that as a Windows user,   
   it's just fluff for entertainment.   
      
      Paul   
      
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