From: Jeff@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 06/12/2025 11:00, Paul wrote:   
   > On Sat, 12/6/2025 4:22 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:   
   >> On 05/12/2025 23:03, TimW wrote:   
   >>> I want to scan a small quantity of negatives as I sort through some old   
   >>> family stuff, and turn them into jpegs. I once had a slide scanner I   
   >>> think from Lidl which was perfectly good enough for my purposes. I   
   >>> chucked it out when I couldn't get it to work on any windows after XP,   
   >>> let alone linux.   
   >>>   
   >>> I am thinking I might be on a hiding to nothing hoping that any of the   
   >>> cheap consumer type scanners I can buy will work on linux mint. Is there   
   >>> any way of even knowing if they will work? Will some of them have   
   >>> generic drivers and just work? Are any known to work?   
   >>   
   >> You might find this of interest, and perhaps a bit of a warning as to what   
   might work and might not work with LM!   
   >>    
   >> I've since upgraded to 22.2, but haven't tried the scanner since the   
   upgrade.   
   >>   
   >   
   > I can find a post dated 2002 discussing that scanner.   
   >   
   > If I had to guess, the config space of the scanner reports it is   
   > USB2, while the hardware is actually USB1.1 . It's possible the OSes   
   > of the time were working, but didn't have enough "quirks" coded   
   > to make a robust driver. The scanner may be fibbing about what it is,   
   > over USB.   
   >   
   >     https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/epson-2450-fail   
   d-on-usb2-0-but-not-usb1-1.194/   
   >   
   > If the hardware design is bugged on the scanner, you might need   
   > real/actual USB1.1 ports on a computer to test it. The designs   
   > that had a NEC USB2 chip (early USB2 era) would still have   
   > USB1.1 ports on the Southbridge to use.   
      
   That was an interesting msi.com thread. FWIW, I never had any problem   
   with my XP setup and the 2450. Checking back though, I see that the PC   
   was only USB1 (bought in late 2001; the 2450 was bought in late 2002).   
   The PC had a Creative 5.1 card with Firewire port and that worked well   
   with the 2450. I think that later I bought a USB2 card and put that in a   
   spare slot, but don't think that I ever tried to use it with the 2450.   
      
   I found posts discussing the 2450/USB/Linux problem from 2006   
   (unfortunately the alioth.debian.org website the posts referred to no   
   longer exists). This is the gist of the posts:   
   ========================================================   
      
   Yes, it would most certainly be worth trying, although I found an old   
   SANE bug report ("epson perfection photo 2450 doesn't work in ubuntu   
   5.04") at   
   https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/?func=detail&group_id=30186&ai   
   =302146&atid=410366   
      
   "Date: 2006-09-15 06:17   
   Sender: Nobody   
   Logged In: NO Just the same now with kubuntu 6.06.1   
   USB doesnt work, but does with firewire just fine."   
      
   Followed by:   
      
   "Date: 2007-04-09 03:08   
   Sender: Nobody   
      
   Ubuntu 6.10   
   Dell Inspiron 1100   
   Epson Perfection 2450 Photo   
      
   Sane recognizes my Epson Perfection 2450 Photo as an GT-9700:004 and   
   does not control it properly. It fails to communicate at all, really.   
   This is through the USB 2.0 interface.   
      
   After Xsane comes up, clicking the [Aquire Preview] button times out   
   with the error "Failed to start scanner: Error during I/O.".   
      
   The Sane-project.org site reports the EP 2450 as a supported scanner."   
   ========================================================   
      
   Come to think of it, from what I remember the laptop thinks that the   
   scanner is not a 2450, but another Epson one (possibly the GT-9700, but   
   I'm not sure).   
      
   --   
   Jeff   
      
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