From: alan@invalid.com   
      
   On 2/12/26 1:10 AM, Paul wrote:   
   > On Thu, 2/12/2026 12:08 AM, Axel wrote:   
   >   
   >> I had already started a fresh install before i saw your comprehensive post,   
   >> thank you. it seemed the best option to avoid a possibly corrupted system.   
   >> thankfully all is working well now. btw.. this laptop has the most   
   >> rudimentary BIOS I have ever seen. there are very few settings, and   
   >> most cannot be changed. It has UEFI with secure boot, but there's no way to   
   disable SB.   
   >   
   > This is the era I feared. We were promised what is basically "optionless"   
   > machines for the year 2026 or so, removing the ability to turn off Secure   
   Boot   
   > and the ability to do Legacy Boot.   
   >   
   > That's going to cause a lot of problems, and your example is just the   
   > beginning.   
   >   
   > The thing is, if the scheme was "perfect", I can see this transition   
   > making sense. But the scheme is far from perfect, holes galore to fall   
   > in, and why limit the escape hatches on a thing which is a mess ?   
   >   
   > There is one less reason to buy a new computer.   
   >   
   > Take my 11 year old computer. The kids can't break it. No MOK. No   
   > Secure Boot materials. Ability to boot from Legacy media and UEFI media.   
   > Will be able to run its copies of W10 and W11 past June 2026 (when   
   > one of the keys on the other machine expire). Right now, that's my most   
   > defensively designed computer in the room. 11 years old. If a boot   
   > breaks on a Linux there, I can fix it. Whereas a 3 year old machine   
   > that Ubuntu injected two certificates into, I can't get them out!   
   > Even in recovery mode for the materials.   
   >   
   >     Paul   
   I would bet money you know this but, even efibootmgr won't allow you to remove   
   those boot   
   names on that one problematic PC?   Or is the issue more that what that   
   command fixes?   
      
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