From: jdbeard@patriot.net
On 07/09/2012 12:14 AM, Moe Trin wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandriva, in
article
> , Jim Beard wrote:
>
>> Adam wrote:
>
>> In times long past, the record of the Article 15 would remain in
>> your official personnel folder for only 2 years, and it then
>> would be removed, clearing the record. So far as I know, from
>> the mid-1980s onward, the Article 15s remain in the personnel
>> folder for life.
>
> As mentioned, haven't messed with UCMJ in a long time, but my
> understanding was the record was removed when you were permanently
> re-assigned rather than a time period.
That was in an earlier time, if I remember correctly. The
2-year-and-removed rule came later. And then, permanent.
> The military has jails - they may have slightly different names, but.
>
>> Anything that merits putting someone in jail usually also results in
>> reduction in rank to private E-1, forfeiture of all pay and
>> allowances, plus a Dishonorable Discharge (provided at the end of the
>> jail sentence).
>
> The "Dirty Dog" was not the only way out - there was the "Big Cool
> Daddy" (for Adam - "Bad Conduct Discharge")
I forgot about that one. I never knew of anyone who received one
of those.
>> The Air Force tends to be top-heavy on officers (not that the
>> Army is not, just not to the same degree) because all pilots are
>> commissioned officers.
>
> Yes, there are more of them, but the numbers aren't overwhelming.
> The wing I was in had about 125 pilots out of ~3200 people. The
> "normal" chain-of-command officers were slightly thinner with a
> squadron of 300 troops often having no more than three officers -
> some of which were rated pilots.
>
>> My understanding from reading the press is that drone aircraft
>> currently are being flown by Army enlisted men, but with even
>> those costing multiple-millions each for some types I speculate
>> that ossifers may take over that work, just as they displaced
>> enlisted pilots of the Army Air Corps in WW-II.
>
> Depends of the aircraft - the small stuff used at company or even
> squad level is EM - the big stuff like the Predator and Global Hawks
> or equal are officer crewed.
>>> Sometimes I enjoy reading about military life, but I don't think
>>> I'd last a week in it.
>
> Well, I lasted 3 years 11 months 7 days, six hours...
>
>> Keep your head up (stay alert), keep your butt down (low
>> profile), and obey all lawful orders issued to you to the best of
>> your ability, and you should have no significant problems during
>> basic and advanced training.
>
> Also recall that it doesn't last forever, and the rewards for
> completing it (assignment to some often interesting locations, 30
> days paid vacation a year, free food, medical and quarters, and
> so on) can compensate for a lot.
>
>> You learn to ignore or work around the BS/harrassment most of the
>> time, and life is tolerable.
>
> Biggest problem I had was the lack of imagination - it's a structured
> environment and you have to play their game, not yours.
Correct on that one.
The problem I did not stay around for in the late 1960s was that
the Army was not a good environment for a family and children.
When I was single, that was not a concern, but I did not intend
to remain single indefinitely. Things did get better in that
respect, but it was the Reagan years before that started
happening, and I could not foresee it (nor would I have waited a
decade for it to happen).
Cheers!
jim b.
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