XPost: alt.os.linux.mageia   
   From: unruh@invalid.ca   
      
   On 2013-03-13, Bit Twister  wrote:   
   > On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 04:21:08 GMT, unruh wrote:   
   >>   
   >> Looking at a few of them on Mangeia 2, there is nothing about runlevel   
   >> in them. There are a bunch of directories   
   >> default.target.wants/ getty.target.wants/   
   >> basic.target.wants/                  graphical.target.wants/   
   >> bluetooth.target.wants/              multi-user.target.wants/   
   >> dbus-org.bluez.service@              sockets.target.wants/   
   >> dbus-org.freedesktop.Avahi.service@  syslog.service@   
   >> default.target@   
   >> with links inside each to the some of the /lib/systemd/system files. But   
   >> of course it has nothing which tells you of the link between those and   
   >> runlevels.   
   >   
   > Heheh, it'll make sense after learning systemd and memorize yet more stuff.   
   :(   
      
   ARe you sure?   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> They took something which was a bit klunky, but clear and made something   
   >> which maybe less klunky but totally obscure,   
   >   
   > Yup, I'll second that.   
   >   
   >> and thus HIGHLY susceptible to bugs and misconfigurations.   
   >   
   > That I do not know. Suse, redhat, fedora, mandriva, mageia and   
   > who knows who else is headed that way. Only good news I see from it,   
   > would be standardization of unit files which would have to work before   
   > developer/coder can run a go/no go test.   
      
   Which means the the advanced user has no idea how to make the system do   
   what he/she wants, and has to accept the developer's misbegotten ideas   
   of what is good.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >> I install stuff that is ready for use. I do not have the time to debug   
   >> (I have done enough of that) but need it to work.   
   >   
   > I understand, but you might be running an app which nobody has tested   
   > yet. I have been running my three systems with betas and for the most   
   > part they have been pretty solid. What problems that were show   
   > stoppers had workarounds within a day or so.   
      
   I might and will discover that when I run the release. But I do not want   
   to spend time running into other bugs that will get fixed before   
   release.   
      
      
   >   
   >>> Depends, the short list   
   >>> ls -al /etc/systemd/system/*   
   >>   
   >> And how do I interpret that? I have noidea what "basic.target.wants"   
   >> means. What is basic? What is a target? What does "wants" mean. Too cute   
   >> by far. And a complete ratsnest of cross links jumping all over the   
   >> filesystem.   
   >   
   > Yup. can not argue there. Doing a  " systemctl --all --full | sort "   
   > is somewhat daunting.   
   >   
   > Mageia 2 end of support is in November. Looking at   
   > https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development   
   > suggests to me, everyone needs to test their hardware and the apps   
   > they use now.   
      
   Yes. I know. But I still run a few 2008 systems because of not having   
   time. Not a great idea, but...   
      
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