From: pk@pk.invalid   
      
   Aragorn wrote:   
      
   > This is not entirely correct.  I've been (and still am at present) a   
   > longstanding user of Mandrake - now called Mandriva - and the practice   
   > there is to have each user created with a private group by the same name   
   > as the user's login.   
      
   Yeah, I think it was redhat that introduced it, and derived distros like   
   mandr{ake,iva} followed that path.   
      
   > And in fact, on Gentoo it has always been standard practice to have users   
   > be created as members of the /users/ group during installation, as very   
   > few other groups exist at that stage and private groups must therefore be   
   > created first before one can add a user to them.   
      
   Gentoo used to use the "users" group, but at some point an upgrade of pam or   
   shadow, can't remember exactly, broke that rule, as discussed in the thread   
   I linked. It's still possible, of course, and imho advisable, to restore   
   the "normal" behaviour.   
      
   > Because it's still experimental (and thus buggy) and only offers half of   
   > the possibilities for installing Gentoo.   
      
   Yet another reason I forgot to mention before, thanks.   
      
   > Although I've never tried it myself, I believe it is based upon the   
   > RedHat/Fedora/CentOS /anaconda/ installer,   
      
   I don't think so. Actually, if memory serves, I think it was written from   
   scratch, in Python.   
      
   > The bottom line however in the debate as to whether a GUI installer should   
   > be used or whether the installation should be performed via the   
   > commandline is that the Gentoo documentation refers to the latter - I   
   > don't think there even _is_ a documentation page regarding the GUI   
   > installer on the Gentoo website, but I could be wrong there - and that it   
   > offers you far more possibilities.   
      
   Again, I seem to remember some document explaining how to install using the   
   graphical installer, but I might very well just have dreamed it.   
      
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