From: mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere   
      
   Javier  writes:   
      
   > Marco Moock  wrote:   
   >   
   > > Am 20.02.2023 schrieb Mike Spencer :   
   >>   
   >>> I gave up on postfix and reverted with complete success to sendmail.   
   >>   
   >> :-)   
   >   
   > I wonder whether the OP wants to run a mail server himself or he   
   > relies on an external SMTP server.  Running an mailserver nowadays is   
   > not so easy nowadays, as many mailservers (especially those controlled   
   > by MS like Yahoo or corporate Exchange servers) will drop the received   
   > messages without warning for the silliest reason.   
      
   No, no, I don't want to run a mail server.   
      
   Just nattering, for the record, if anyone is interested...   
      
   I only need three things from sendmail:   
      
      1. Hand outgoing mail to a smarthost that requires AUTH (the   
         deafult)   
      
      2. Occasionally hand outgoing mail to a different smarthost that   
         doesn't require AUTH.   
      
      3. Deliver mail from the kernel to root to a mailbox on localhost.   
      
   I get 1. & 2. by having 2 sets of files for /etc/mail/*, one   
   configured for 1., the other configured for 2.  If the the server for   
   1. is down, I can swap those files and restart sendmail.   
      
   3. seems to happen automatically without my having to do anything.   
      
   Setting up smarthosting, long ago, was so easy that I just manually   
   edited sendmail.cf before I knew you weren't supposed to do that.   
   Enabling AUTH was harder but I had earlier invested in the great, fat   
   O'Reilly Bat Book and could figure it out, use m4.   
      
   So sendmail is a Winnebago with all the dealer options, a Zodiac on   
   the roof, dirt bike strapped to the back and a 2-door Hyundai in tow.   
   And the config is written in cuneiform that you need a Rosetta stone   
   (m4) to deal with it.   
      
   Postfix is supposed to be better and easier.  My take is that it's   
   also A Winnebago, but without the dealer options or Zodiac.  To   
   stretch the metaphor, the config is written in Chaucerian English so   
   you only need hours of study, not a Rosetta stone,  to sort out and   
   disable all the details and features meant for a full-on SMTP server   
   and get just the simple behavior above.   
      
   Worse, documentation is in numerous files.  And there's no Bat Book.   
      
   > If he relies on an external SMTP server an userland based solution like   
   > ssmtp should be easier   
      
   Maybe.  More bother?  Sendmail is doing what I want in 15.0.   
      
   (Back to my problem with CUPS later, in another post.)   
      
   --   
   Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)