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   From: deletethis@invalid.lan   
      
   Greetings from Granada   
      
   On Thu, 3 Jul 2025, John Doe wrote:   
      
      
   > 1. who uses ADSL in 2025?   
   >   
      
   breaking news:  not everyone has access to vdslx, cable, fttc (fibre to   
   the curb) or fibre.   
      
   further out you are in middle of nowhere, means you're more likely on   
   ancient technology becasue it is not justifiable for carriers to outlay   
   the expense of laying fibre - fibres cheap, but its only about 10% of the   
   budget, you have government and council red tape with permissions, you   
   need specialist machinery, personell, contracted traffic controllers for   
   any public roads, insurances, inspections, and thats just off top of my   
   head.   
      
   further out in middle of nowhere means, like above you might not have much   
   in the way of 4G towers, let alone 5G.   
      
   PON can get you - anything, how big is your budget   
     although most ISP's do put 1gbps limits on residential accounts and   
     you're still on residential "contended circuits"   
      
   Cable usually a couple of km's - more repeaters longer, but bigger   
     costs, speed varies between DOCSIS levels and again is distance   
     dependant.   
      
   FTTC 1-3 gbps for a couple hundred metres (we lock ours at 1G/s, but I'm   
     aware places in Germany get up to 3G/s)   
      
   VDSL2 can get you 100+mbps upto ~400m   
   VDSL2 can get you 50mbps at 1km   
   VDSL2 can get you 30mbps at 1.4km   
      
   ADSL2+ can get you 20mbps out to at least 3km's   
   ADSL2 can get you 20mbps out to at least 1km   
   ADSL1 can get you 8mbps out to at least 5km's   
   ADSL1 can get you 1.5mbps out to at least 7+km's   
      
   VDSL2 fails over to ADSL - most DSLAMS can do this, if   
     configured to - not all ISPs configure it.   
      
   ADSL2(+) DSLAMs will failover to ADSL1 - giving inclose 20+mbps and   
   distant rurals 1.5mbps at 7k's, possible longer - In Australia remote   
   rural areas the copper is .9mm, standard rural is .6mm, and urban is only   
   .4mm, complicating it, the LIC's from pit to your property demarc point,   
   is 0.5mm   
      
   So city folk saying youll never get 8mbps at 5k's are more or less correct   
   for  " in the city" - but in the country, 8mpbs is most acheivable at that   
   distance.   
      
      
      
      
   > 2. who uses ADSL without a router?   
      
   you'd be surprised, it was common back in the day, and no doubt still -   
   as we see from Lew, in use today.   
      
   And back in the day I for one, those days we didnt have mikrotiks, and   
   nobody could afford even the small cisco units, that cost more than a most   
   peoples monthly pay packets (lol nothings changed with shit$co has it), so   
   you had poor (read that as next to no) flexibility, firewall rules barf   
   out at 20 to 30 even today on these home devices (ever wondered why most   
   routers today (2025) have such tiny number of possible entries), where   
   back in those days I had thousands of rules on a dx486 and it never missed   
   a beat, no bottleneck no problems.   
      
   your not restricted to the limits of the tiny busybox images they throw on   
   those things even today, and not every device lets you intall openwrt, which   
   was not around back then anyway, and as saying goes, it it aint broke, dont   
   break it.   
      
      
   Also in early days of ADSL some of the entry level modems - dlink dsl300 I   
   think it was, as one example, was only a modem, a software modem too, so   
   only worked with windows and you had to use connection sharing - we would   
   tell clients to get rid of it and use netgear or netcomm, which is what   
   we supplied and supported, along with dynalinks I think they were called,   
   back around 2000, a decent modem manufactured from New Zealand.   
      
      
   history lesson over.   
      
      
      
   > Fucking Retard!   
      
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