From: lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca   
      
   On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 13:55:44 +1000, nb wrote:   
      
   > Greetings from Granada   
   >   
   > On Thu, 3 Jul 2025, John Doe wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   >> 1. who uses ADSL in 2025?   
   >>   
   >   
   > breaking news:  not everyone has access to vdslx, cable, fttc (fibre to   
   > the curb) or fibre.   
      
   Here, in Canada, you either deal with one of the "Big Three" ISPs   
   (Bell Canada, Rogers Telecommunications, or Telus Telecommunications)   
   or you deal with a small ISP.   
      
   Bell offers VDSL and FTTC; Rogers offers DOCSYS ("cable tv"), and Telus   
   doesn't run hard lines anywhere close to where I live (a large suburban   
   city). All three of these ISPs also offer "wireless" (i.e. cellphone)   
   internet. And NONE of these ISPs permit their clients to run servers,   
   or have any other internet presence than as a consumer of outside services.   
      
   The smaller ISPs (of which I have been with the biggest for about 20 years)   
   offer ASDL2+, DOCSYS (cable), and FTTC, but over the lines rented from the   
   big 3.   
      
   I've been on ADSL (in one form or another) for over 20 years (see   
   https://linuxgazette.net/105/pitcher1.html) and, as the service is cheap,   
   stable, and fast enough for my needs, I haven't seen the need to change.   
      
   These days, I /could/ "upgrade" to VDSL or DOCSYS (FTTC is still limited,   
   based on having a contract with Bell for /their/ internet services), but   
   I still dont have a compelling reason to do so.   
      
      
   [snip]   
      
   As for the troll, I've been trolled by better. I'm still here, and the   
   troll is long gone.   
      
   --   
   Lew Pitcher   
   "In Skills We Trust"   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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