From: thorongil@telenet.be   
      
   On Saturday 04 March 2017 11:49, grinch conveyed the following to   
   alt.os.linux.suse...   
      
   > Sprang is quite right ,basically if the plasma 5 does not have  a   
   > working network connection it falls over ,simple as that.   
      
   Now, I'm still using Plasma 4 here, but I've never heard of Plasma (or   
   any of the older KDE versions) falling over if it doesn't get a network   
   connection.   
      
   More likely would be that something specific ─ like the Network Manager   
   applet or ntpd would be trying to connect to the internet and would be   
   failing after a timeout.   
      
   If anything, it has been my experience that GNOME tends to whine about   
   not having an IP address or an FQDN.  And that's because GNOME ─ and   
   GTK+ in general, upon which also MATE, Cinnamon, Xfce and LXDE are built   
   ─ is a meddlesome nanny.   
      
   > If I log into xfce and setup the wifi network then log out again   
   > plasma works.   
      
   That has nothing to do with Xfce or with Plasma, but with the Network   
   Manager, for which there exists both a GTK+ front-end and a Qt front-   
   end.   
      
   > I had never tried KDE on top of xfce it is noticeably faster on the   
   > same hardware than the native plasma 5 perhaps that is a way forward.   
      
   That's ridiculous.  First of all, you cannot run KDE/Plasma "on top of"   
   Xfce.  Plasma runs either on top of the X Window System or on top of the   
   Wayland compositor.   
      
   You /can/ run KDE _applications_ in Xfce ─ or GNOME, Unity, Cinnamon,   
   LXDE, Enlightenment or whatever ─ if you have the KDE base libraries   
   installed, but none of that has anything to do with Xfce, and the   
   performance of those applications would be the same.   
      
   In fact, if there is any difference in performance, then the KDE   
   applications would be running faster in Plasma, because Plasma pre-loads   
   the shared libraries those applications use, whereas with another   
   desktop environment, the application has to call for those shared   
   libraries to be loaded separately, which will increase your memory   
   footprint, and ─ if you have very little RAM ─ may thus lead to   
   swapping.   
      
   KDE Plasma is built using the Qt widget libraries.  Xfce is built using   
   the GKT+ widget libraries.  So long as you have both sets of libraries   
   installed, it doesn't matter what desktop environment you're running.   
   The applications only look at those libraries, and all your Xfce does in   
   that regard is offer the window manager functions to allow those   
   applications to interface with the underlying X11 server ─ or with   
   Wayland, whichever applies to your situation ─ and appear on your screen   
   with window borders and a title bar, so that you can move them, resize   
   them, maximize them and minimize them.   
      
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