From: grinch@somewhere.com   
      
   On 04/03/17 11:40, Aragorn wrote:   
   > On Saturday 04 March 2017 11:49, grinch conveyed the following to   
   > alt.os.linux.suse...   
   >   
   >> Sprang is quite right ,basically if the plasma 5 does not have  a   
   >> working network connection it falls over ,simple as that.   
      
   Opensuse does not. Kill the GUI and log into xfce and everything works   
      
   >   
   > Now, I'm still using Plasma 4 here, but I've never heard of Plasma (or   
   > any of the older KDE versions) falling over if it doesn't get a network   
   > connection.   
   >   
   Nor have I ,that is the issue .I tried a vanilla install of 13.2 on the   
   same laptop no problems at all, network or no network. I deliberately   
   did not setup the wifi after the install and KDE4 worked just fine.   
      
      
   > More likely would be that something specific ─ like the Network Manager   
   > applet or ntpd would be trying to connect to the internet and would be   
   > failing after a timeout.   
      
   I agree but why is it only plasma 5 which has the issue.   
      
   What I have noticed is that desktop icons appear after about 2 minutes   
   after login but they don't work and there is no desktop.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> If I log into xfce and setup the wifi network then log out again   
   >> plasma works.   
   >   
      
   > That has nothing to do with Xfce or with Plasma, but with the Network   
   > Manager, for which there exists both a GTK+ front-end and a Qt front-   
   > end.   
   >   
      
   That's the point I am making ,once the laptop has its network restored   
   it works fine .   
      
   That is a fix for me as I have the laptop for portable computing and the   
   xfce fixes the problem until KDE does.   
      
   I am not a newbie but I am no Linux expert either, how could I debug   
   this issue and perhaps contribute in some small way to fixing it ?   
      
      
      
      
      
   >> I had never tried KDE on top of xfce it is noticeably faster on the   
   >> same hardware than the native plasma 5 perhaps that is a way forward.   
   >   
   > That's ridiculous.  First of all, you cannot run KDE/Plasma "on top of"   
   > Xfce.  Plasma runs either on top of the X Window System or on top of the   
   > Wayland compositor.   
   >   
   > You /can/ run KDE _applications_ in Xfce ─ or GNOME, Unity, Cinnamon,   
   > LXDE, Enlightenment or whatever ─ if you have the KDE base libraries   
   > installed, but none of that has anything to do with Xfce, and the   
   > performance of those applications would be the same.   
      
      
   Sorry that's really what I meant applications   
   >   
      
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