From: robin_listas@invalid.es   
      
   On 2017-03-04 12:40, Aragorn wrote:   
   > On Saturday 04 March 2017 11:49, grinch conveyed the following to   
   > alt.os.linux.suse...   
   >   
   >> Sprang is quite right ,basically if the plasma 5 does not have  a   
   >> working network connection it falls over ,simple as that.   
   >   
   > Now, I'm still using Plasma 4 here, but I've never heard of Plasma (or   
   > any of the older KDE versions) falling over if it doesn't get a network   
   > connection.   
   >   
   > More likely would be that something specific ─ like the Network Manager   
   > applet or ntpd would be trying to connect to the internet and would be   
   > failing after a timeout.   
   >   
   > If anything, it has been my experience that GNOME tends to whine about   
   > not having an IP address or an FQDN.  And that's because GNOME ─ and   
   > GTK+ in general, upon which also MATE, Cinnamon, Xfce and LXDE are built   
   > ─ is a meddlesome nanny.   
      
   Not my experience with XFCE. I sometimes use my laptop without network,   
   no issues.   
      
      
   >> I had never tried KDE on top of xfce it is noticeably faster on the   
   >> same hardware than the native plasma 5 perhaps that is a way forward.   
   >   
   > That's ridiculous.  First of all, you cannot run KDE/Plasma "on top of"   
   > Xfce.  Plasma runs either on top of the X Window System or on top of the   
   > Wayland compositor.   
   >   
   > You /can/ run KDE _applications_ in Xfce ─ or GNOME, Unity, Cinnamon,   
   > LXDE, Enlightenment or whatever ─ if you have the KDE base libraries   
   > installed, but none of that has anything to do with Xfce, and the   
   > performance of those applications would be the same.   
   >   
   > In fact, if there is any difference in performance, then the KDE   
   > applications would be running faster in Plasma, because Plasma pre-loads   
   > the shared libraries those applications use, whereas with another   
   > desktop environment, the application has to call for those shared   
   > libraries to be loaded separately, which will increase your memory   
   > footprint, and ─ if you have very little RAM ─ may thus lead to   
   > swapping.   
      
   Not my experience.   
      
   I normally use the XFCE desktop, and run some KDE apps on it. It is true   
   that the application start may be slower, but once it runs, it may run   
   faster, because the sum of XFCE desktop + some KDE libraries + one KDE   
   app, is less than the entire KDE/Plasma desktop and apps. As long as one   
   has enough RAM, of course, but perhaps not a lot. In my case, on this   
   machine I have 4 GiB   
      
   It may be also related to Plasma using more heavily the graphic system.   
      
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