From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 14/01/2019 05.43, bad sector wrote:   
   > On 07/01/19 04:34 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> On 07/01/2019 20.12, bad sector wrote:   
   >>> On 01/06/2019 09:54 PM, Sidney_Kotic wrote:   
   >>>> On 1/3/19 8:52 PM, bad sector wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> KISS is so full of shit like unnecessary AND totally unwarranted   
   >>>>> graphics, uuids and scripts scattered all over the place that you   
   >>>>> could build a bughouse with all the chaff.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Well if you really want to minimal, I'd recommend one of the *SD   
   >>>> releases.  I was using one as a firewall for quite a while back when I   
   >>>> had coax running, until it went TU.  But it was minimal.  Did nothing   
   >>>> except pass packets back and forth, B&W CRT, no mouse, I only left a   
   >>>> keyboard on it because I had no use for one with a PS2 connector   
   >>>> anywhere else.   
   >>>   
   >>> What I'd like to see is what used to be available around the 5.x   
   >>> versions, about 5gb got you a kde desktop. Then once the booting was   
   >>> good you could build it up. I think it was 'named' a minimal package   
   >>> set.   
   >>   
   >> Yes, and there is a minimal pattern now as well.   
   >   
   > I want a minmal gui system, not ncurses   
      
   You did not say that before.   
      
   >   
   > Otherwise, as I write this from a Debian AvLinux-2018 while the desktop   
   > upgrade is ALREADY gettin backleveled to the previous system dd'd out   
   > just before the exercise in FUTILITY...   
   >   
   > I have tried at least a dozen installs of the soup-of-the-day TW onto my   
   > Asus g73, ALL becoming unbootable into Plashma 5. The best I can do is   
   > to select XFCE at login but then Yast User-Managmnent just crashes.   
   >   
   > Next, just minutes ago, I finished two hours worth of wasted time with   
   > 'zypper dup' on my desktop amd 8-core deathstar. Zypper replaced the   
   > installed (and working!) nVidia gfx03 driver with gfx05. Coincidentally   
   > or not all I get now is a black screen with an arrow, can't even select   
   > XFCE instead of Splashma5 to log in.   
   >   
   > Bottom line, so far, I have not been able to get 4.19 to boot on either   
   > one of my machines. If I edit grub to do an init 3 I can log in as root   
   > but then kdm or gdm both don't do shit.   
      
   I use Leap 15.0 myself with an XFCE desktop. Stable for years. Only some   
   problems when I upgrade, like from 42.3 to 15.0 the other day. I have to   
   adjust things for some days, but I don't hurry about it.   
      
   I don't care for a minimal system. Disks are big. I let the installer   
   install whatever it wants. Less trouble.   
      
   There was a minimal graphical pattern, but I'm not sure if it was   
   removed. I never liked it, the desktop was ugly, too minimal. fwmn or   
   something like that.   
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
      
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