From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 14/01/2019 14.48, bad sector wrote:   
   > On 01/14/2019 07:24 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> On 14/01/2019 05.43, bad sector wrote:   
   >>> On 07/01/19 04:34 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>> On 07/01/2019 20.12, bad sector wrote:   
   >>>>> On 01/06/2019 09:54 PM, Sidney_Kotic wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 1/3/19 8:52 PM, bad sector wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> KISS is so full of shit like unnecessary AND totally unwarranted   
   >>>>>>> graphics, uuids and scripts scattered all over the place that you   
   >>>>>>> could build a bughouse with all the chaff.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Well if you really want to minimal, I'd recommend one of the *SD   
   >>>>>> releases.  I was using one as a firewall for quite a while back   
   >>>>>> when I   
   >>>>>> had coax running, until it went TU.  But it was minimal.  Did nothing   
   >>>>>> except pass packets back and forth, B&W CRT, no mouse, I only left a   
   >>>>>> keyboard on it because I had no use for one with a PS2 connector   
   >>>>>> anywhere else.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> What I'd like to see is what used to be available around the 5.x   
   >>>>> versions, about 5gb got you a kde desktop. Then once the booting was   
   >>>>> good you could build it up. I think it was 'named' a minimal package   
   >>>>> set.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yes, and there is a minimal pattern now as well.   
   >>>   
   >>> I want a minmal gui system, not ncurses   
   >>   
   >> You did not say that before.   
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   > i cited the minimum kde package set used and called as such in 5.x suse   
   > releases, don't remember the exact name   
      
   5.x, good lord!  That's way to ancient to have any meaning today.   
      
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   >>> Otherwise, as I write this from a Debian AvLinux-2018 while the desktop   
   >>> upgrade is ALREADY gettin backleveled to the previous system dd'd out   
   >>> just before the exercise in FUTILITY...   
   >>>   
   >>> I have tried at least a dozen installs of the soup-of-the-day TW onto my   
   >>> Asus g73, ALL becoming unbootable into Plashma 5. The best I can do is   
   >>> to select XFCE at login but then Yast User-Managmnent just crashes.   
   >>>   
   >>> Next, just minutes ago, I finished two hours worth of wasted time with   
   >>> 'zypper dup' on my desktop amd 8-core deathstar. Zypper replaced the   
   >>> installed (and working!) nVidia gfx03 driver with gfx05. Coincidentally   
   >>> or not all I get now is a black screen with an arrow, can't even select   
   >>> XFCE instead of Splashma5 to log in.   
   >>>   
   >>> Bottom line, so far, I have not been able to get 4.19 to boot on either   
   >>> one of my machines. If I edit grub to do an init 3 I can log in as root   
   >>> but then kdm or gdm both don't do shit.   
   >>   
   >> I use Leap 15.0 myself with an XFCE desktop. Stable for years. Only some   
   >> problems when I upgrade, like from 42.3 to 15.0 the other day. I have to   
   >> adjust things for some days, but I don't hurry about it.   
   >>   
   >> I don't care for a minimal system. Disks are big. I let the installer   
   >> install whatever it wants. Less trouble.   
   >>   
   >> There was a minimal graphical pattern, but I'm not sure if it was   
   >> removed. I never liked it, the desktop was ugly, too minimal. fwmn or   
   >> something like that.   
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   > I have no problem with system size, use 50gb on my g73 and 100gb on my   
   > deathstar, but as experience is proving a non-bootable install is still   
   > very much in the game. It would still save time to have a minimal   
   > splashma packlist that installs in minutes, then is ready for   
   > boot-proof, hardware incarnation and what have you. THEN, when you know   
   > it's all gonna work then you 'pupulate' it for real. That was the idea   
   > then, would still be if yank flatliners hadn't become involved with suse.   
      
   No. It is easier and faster to let the system install whatever it wants,   
   and after you have it working, remove the superfluous. You are making   
   things harder than they should.   
      
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   Cheers, Carlos.   
      
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