From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 15/01/2019 01.56, bad sector wrote:   
   > On 01/14/2019 07:53 PM, bad sector wrote:   
   >> On 01/14/2019 09:48 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>> On 14/01/2019 14.48, bad sector wrote:   
   >>>> On 01/14/2019 07:24 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>> On 14/01/2019 05.43, bad sector wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 07/01/19 04:34 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 07/01/2019 20.12, bad sector wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 01/06/2019 09:54 PM, Sidney_Kotic wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 1/3/19 8:52 PM, bad sector wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> KISS is so full of shit like unnecessary AND totally unwarranted   
   >>>>>>>>>> graphics, uuids and scripts scattered all over the place that you   
   >>>>>>>>>> could build a bughouse with all the chaff.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Well if you really want to minimal, I'd recommend one of the *SD   
   >>>>>>>>> releases.  I was using one as a firewall for quite a while back   
   >>>>>>>>> when I   
   >>>>>>>>> had coax running, until it went TU.  But it was minimal.  Did   
   >>>>>>>>> nothing   
   >>>>>>>>> except pass packets back and forth, B&W CRT, no mouse, I only   
   >>>>>>>>> left a   
   >>>>>>>>> keyboard on it because I had no use for one with a PS2 connector   
   >>>>>>>>> anywhere else.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What I'd like to see is what used to be available around the 5.x   
   >>>>>>>> versions, about 5gb got you a kde desktop. Then once the booting   
   >>>>>>>> was   
   >>>>>>>> good you could build it up. I think it was 'named' a minimal   
   >>>>>>>> package   
   >>>>>>>> set.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Yes, and there is a minimal pattern now as well.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I want a minmal gui system, not ncurses   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You did not say that before.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> i cited the minimum kde package set used and called as such in 5.x suse   
   >>>> releases, don't remember the exact name   
   >>>   
   >>> 5.x, good lord!  That's way to ancient to have any meaning today.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> Otherwise, as I write this from a Debian AvLinux-2018 while the   
   >>>>>> desktop   
   >>>>>> upgrade is ALREADY gettin backleveled to the previous system dd'd out   
   >>>>>> just before the exercise in FUTILITY...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I have tried at least a dozen installs of the soup-of-the-day TW   
   >>>>>> onto my   
   >>>>>> Asus g73, ALL becoming unbootable into Plashma 5. The best I can   
   >>>>>> do is   
   >>>>>> to select XFCE at login but then Yast User-Managmnent just crashes.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Next, just minutes ago, I finished two hours worth of wasted time   
   >>>>>> with   
   >>>>>> 'zypper dup' on my desktop amd 8-core deathstar. Zypper replaced the   
   >>>>>> installed (and working!) nVidia gfx03 driver with gfx05.   
   >>>>>> Coincidentally   
   >>>>>> or not all I get now is a black screen with an arrow, can't even   
   >>>>>> select   
   >>>>>> XFCE instead of Splashma5 to log in.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Bottom line, so far, I have not been able to get 4.19 to boot on   
   >>>>>> either   
   >>>>>> one of my machines. If I edit grub to do an init 3 I can log in as   
   >>>>>> root   
   >>>>>> but then kdm or gdm both don't do shit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I use Leap 15.0 myself with an XFCE desktop. Stable for years. Only   
   >>>>> some   
   >>>>> problems when I upgrade, like from 42.3 to 15.0 the other day. I   
   >>>>> have to   
   >>>>> adjust things for some days, but I don't hurry about it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I don't care for a minimal system. Disks are big. I let the installer   
   >>>>> install whatever it wants. Less trouble.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> There was a minimal graphical pattern, but I'm not sure if it was   
   >>>>> removed. I never liked it, the desktop was ugly, too minimal. fwmn or   
   >>>>> something like that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I have no problem with system size, use 50gb on my g73 and 100gb on my   
   >>>> deathstar, but as experience is proving a non-bootable install is still   
   >>>> very much in the game. It would still save time to have a minimal   
   >>>> splashma packlist that installs in minutes, then is ready for   
   >>>> boot-proof, hardware incarnation and what have you. THEN, when you know   
   >>>> it's all gonna work then you 'pupulate' it for real. That was the idea   
   >>>> then, would still be if yank flatliners hadn't become involved with   
   >>>> suse.   
   >>>   
   >>> No. It is easier and faster to let the system install whatever it wants,   
   >>> and after you have it working, remove the superfluous. You are making   
   >>> things harder than they should.   
   >>   
   >> yeah, libre-orifice is real must-have for a test run!   
   >>   
   >> i just tried another install on the g73   
   >>   
   >> normally i avoid fluff but one thing i changed was to permit the use of   
   >> ACL's and advanced attributes but it didn't make any difference either   
   >>   
   >> i got an UNUSABLE splasma on nouveau, bailed out and got icewm going   
   >> enought to launch yast   
   >>   
   >> installed the nvidia g05, which then gave me a really pretty arrow on a   
   >> black screen just short of a login: no more gui at all   
   >>   
   >> bailed out of that too to cLi and launched yast-curses this time to   
   >> downgrade g05 to g04,   
      
   No downgrade. Each number is for a different group of nvidia cards. You   
   have to use the exact number that is reported to work for your card, not   
   another even if it has a bigger G number.   
      
   > SAME freakin' result ....so i have a brand new TW   
   >> that is unusable with splasma on nouveau, or on g05, or on g04   
   >>   
   >> you know what? there are NO OTHER video driver options, nothing supplied   
   >> works & king Trump would call that a 'shithole' OS :-)   
   >>   
   >> all these probs have been around ever since the first 19.x kernel got   
   >> onto the repo servers. I'm herewith putting out the call of duty to   
   >> survivors of the original german crew to fork 'neo-suse' starting with   
   >> 13.2 and also commit to continued development of a boned-down kde4.   
      
   You are welcome to donate some millions and do it.   
      
   > I'll   
   >> subscribe to a REAL rolling release @ $200cdn/yr   
   >   
   > missed this:  no systemd, no uuid, no grub2!   
      
   Just use the default install, disable *nothing*.   
      
      
   Notice: tumbleweed is for experts. Expect problems.   
      
      
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   Cheers, Carlos.   
      
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