From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org   
      
   Paul wrote on 29/2/24 10:39 pm:   
   > On 2/29/2024 3:55 AM, Daniel65 wrote:   
   >> Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:   
   >>> On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:   
   >>>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:   
   >>>>> Daniel65,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',   
   >>>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me   
   >>>>>> their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how   
   >>>>> it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD comes to   
   >>>>> mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can   
   >>>>> 'see' your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give your   
   >>>>> 'puter the responses to requests it send.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so   
   >>>> that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what   
   >>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account   
   >>>> with them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!   
   >>>   
   >>> When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,   
   >>> send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all   
   >>> those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is   
   >>> nothing wrong with that.   
   >>>   
   >>> There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends   
   >>> a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to   
   >>> know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.   
   >>>   
   >>> Same as if you send a paper letter.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address   
   translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the router, not   
   the address of your computer. The router does the translation in both   
   directions.   
   >>>   
   >>> AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in   
   >>> the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary   
   >>> address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every   
   >>> packet sent or received.   
   >>>   
   >>> Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same   
   >>> as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic   
   >>> which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that   
   >>> information instead. Depends who you trust more.   
   >>>   
   >>> They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you   
   >>> really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is   
   >>> dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not   
   >>> use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked   
   >>> me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly   
   >>> subscription they did not need.   
   >>>   
   >>> Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.   
   >>   
   >> O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the   
   >> UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in   
   effect, a VPN??   
   >   
   >                            WAN IP   
   >     Daniel65 ------ router --------------------------- E-S   The E-S admin   
   can tell   
   >     192.168.1.2     (home) 1.2.3.4                           where you are   
   (more or less*)   
   >   
   >                            WAN IP      (India)   
   >     Daniel65 ------ router ------------- VPN --------- E-S   The E-S admin   
   can tell   
   >     192.168.1.2     (home) 1.2.3.4             5.6.7.8       you're in India.   
   >   
   > Your WAN IP identifies your house. Or something.   
   >   
   > This is presumably the "FUD" model that AVG is using.   
   >   
   > Real life is much more complicated than this.   
   >   
   >     Paul   
   >   
   Ah!! O.K., thanks, Paul.   
   --   
   Daniel   
      
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