From: nospam@needed.invalid   
      
   On 2/29/2024 3:55 AM, Daniel65 wrote:   
   > Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:   
   >> On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:   
   >>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:   
   >>>> Daniel65,   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',   
   >>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me   
   >>>>> their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how   
   >>>> it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD comes to   
   >>>> mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can   
   >>>> 'see' your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give your   
   >>>> 'puter the responses to requests it send.   
   >>>   
   >>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so   
   >>> that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what   
   >>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account   
   >>> with them.   
   >>>   
   >>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!   
   >>   
   >> When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,   
   >> send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all   
   >> those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is   
   >> nothing wrong with that.   
   >>   
   >> There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends   
   >> a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to   
   >> know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.   
   >>   
   >> Same as if you send a paper letter.   
   >>   
   >> Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address   
   translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the router, not   
   the address of your computer. The router does the translation in both   
   directions.   
   >>   
   >> AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in   
   >> the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary   
   >> address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every   
   >> packet sent or received.   
   >>   
   >> Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same   
   >> as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic   
   >> which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that   
   >> information instead. Depends who you trust more.   
   >>   
   >> They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you   
   >> really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is   
   >> dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not   
   >> use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked   
   >> me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly   
   >> subscription they did not need.   
   >>   
   >> Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.   
   >   
   > O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the   
   > UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in effect,   
   a VPN??   
      
                             WAN IP   
      Daniel65 ------ router --------------------------- E-S   The E-S admin can   
   tell   
      192.168.1.2     (home) 1.2.3.4                           where you are   
   (more or less*)   
      
                             WAN IP      (India)   
      Daniel65 ------ router ------------- VPN --------- E-S   The E-S admin can   
   tell   
      192.168.1.2     (home) 1.2.3.4             5.6.7.8       you're in India.   
      
   Your WAN IP identifies your house. Or something.   
      
   This is presumably the "FUD" model that AVG is using.   
      
   Real life is much more complicated than this.   
      
      Paul   
      
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