From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2024-03-01 09:42, Paul wrote:   
   > On 2/29/2024 11:11 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> On 2024-03-01 03:33, Paul wrote:   
   >>> On 2/29/2024 10:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:   
   >>>> Carlos E.R.  wrote at 13:06 this Thursday (GMT):   
   >>>>> On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:   
   >>>>>> immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:   
   >>>>>>> On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:   
      
   ...   
      
   >>>>> The point is that you said:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> «That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address   
   >>>>> so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what   
   >>>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet   
   >>>>> account with them.»   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password   
   >>>>> at anything.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> To be fair, if you send credentials with no encryption they could see   
   >>>> that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Use Wireshark.   
   >>>   
   >>> Connect to E-S on port 119.   
   >>>   
   >>> What do you see go by ?   
   >>>   
   >>> Your USER and PASS.   
   >>>   
   >>> Port 119 is an example of "doesn't do security".   
   >>   
   >> Change news provider and/or client :-)   
   >>   
   >   
   > E-S offers both. This allows really ancient clients which   
   > lack SSL/TLS to connect to the server (119). And there are   
   > people who like the really old client software. There   
   > is no such thing as "too old software" when it   
   > comes to USENET.   
      
   I was surprised to see that Leafnode v2 doesn't support ssl/tls. I   
   thought it was supported, but I don't see it in the documentation.   
   Still, it doesn't matter to me, as all the conversations are public.   
      
   TB does support it.   
      
   >   
   > It would be like expecting an EMACS user to stop using EMACS.   
   > Not gonna happen.   
   >   
   > There is even at least one guy, using an ancient computer   
   > to connect on USENET. So in addition to an old client, even   
   > the OS is something you've never heard of. It takes all kinds.   
   >   
   >     Paul   
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
      
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