From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-03-22 19:18, Paul wrote:   
   > On Sat, 3/22/2025 8:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> On 2025-03-21 15:16, Paul wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 3/21/2025 6:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-03-20 23:01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:24:07 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2025-03-19 22:00, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:05:06 +0000, Ant wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> exFAT can handle bigger files and partitions.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> But it doesn’t offer the option for journalling to guard against   
   >>>>>>> filesystem corruption on crashes or improper removal/shutdown, does it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Perfect.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You do not want journalling on an usb stick or memory card.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But SSDs are also built on flash memory technology; do you disable   
   >>>>> journalling on those as well?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No, they have wear levelling, and an expected lifetime with normal usage   
   patterns that is quite long.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Exactly. SSDs algorithm and processing power (I read of an   
   >>> SSD yesterday with a five core ARM processor in it), ensures   
   >>> that the entire wear life of the device (number of cells times cycles)   
   >>> is harvested. USB sticks don't even come remotely close to that. Some   
   >>> USB sticks, don't even seem to follow what technical information   
   >>> is available for them. Either their flash chips are entire crap   
   >>> (should have been thrown out at flash factory), or, something   
   >>> is very wrong with the controller.   
   >>   
   >> I just realized I have an nvme with 72713 hours of use. Probably the first   
   one I bought.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===   
   >> Model Family:     SandForce Driven SSDs   
   >> Device Model:     KINGSTON SMS200S3120G   
   >> Serial Number:    ...   
   >> LU WWN Device Id: 5 0026b7 26901494e   
   >> Firmware Version: 608ABBF0   
   >> User Capacity:    120,034,123,776 bytes [120 GB]   
   >> Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical   
   >> Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device   
   >> TRIM Command:     Available   
   >> Device is:        In smartctl database 7.3/5528   
   >> ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS, ACS-2 T13/2015-D revision 3   
   >> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)   
   >> Local Time is:    Sat Mar 22 13:14:02 2025 CET   
   >> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.   
   >> SMART support is: Enabled   
   >>   
   >> ...   
   >>   
   >> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10   
   >> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:   
   >> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH   
   TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE   
   >>    1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x0032   095   095   050      
   Old_age   Always       -       0/38481593   
   >>    5 Retired_Block_Count     0x0033   100   100   003      
   Pre-fail  Always       -       0   
   >>    9 Power_On_Hours_and_Msec 0x0032   017   017   000      
   Old_age   Always       -       72713h+43m+19.000s   
      
   ...   
      
   >> I just run a short test, but it doesn't show - or they count hours   
   differently:   
   >>   
   >> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1   
   >> Num  Test_Description    Status                    
   Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error   
   >> # 1  Short offline       Completed without error         
   00%      7178         -   
   >> # 2  Extended offline    Completed without error         
   00%      7168         -   
   >> # 3  Short offline       Completed without error         
   00%      7166         -   
   >   
   > That's amazing, that a 120GB drive is still alive. Some of those   
   > die due to firmware issues.   
      
   Oh.   
      
      
   > it could be a SATA type NVME, rather than a PCIe.   
      
   This one has the small connector directly on the PCB. The first one I   
   saw. But the interesting thing is that it identifies as /dev/sda, not   
   /dev/nvme0n1   
      
   >   
   > The entry in /dev should help you identify what it is listed under.   
      
   Ah. Well, /dev/sda.   
      
   >   
   > As far as I know, Sandforce did compressing controllers for SATA,   
   > and Kingston was their major customer. I could not tell you   
   > whether Sandforce was still in business or not.   
      
      
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   Cheers, Carlos.   
      
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