XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-04-08 18:42, Alan wrote:   
   > On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:   
   >>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote:   
   >>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when   
   >>>>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific   
   >>>>>> Apple ID.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free.   
   >>>>>> Only Apple.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it   
   >>>>> up. You   
   >>>>> claim to be clever. Be it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does   
   >>>>>> to it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I don't care who does it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software   
   >>>> that no   
   >>>> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every   
   >>>> type.   
   >>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only   
   >>>> Apple does.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you.   
   >>>> And that's what's bad.   
   >>>>   
   >>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here??   
   >>>   
   >>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple   
   >>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not   
   >>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems.   
   >>>   
   >>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted??   
   >>   
   >> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any   
   >> Apple.   
   >>   
   >> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be   
   >> gratis, but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to   
   >> take the source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself.   
   >> With variants in the details by the licensing.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word   
   > "free" means.   
      
   It is not my definition.   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software   
      
   *Free software*   
      
   Free software, libre software, libreware[1][2] sometimes known as   
   freedom-respecting software is computer software distributed under terms   
   that allow users to run the software for any purpose as well as to   
   study, change, distribute it and any adapted versions.[3][4][5][6] Free   
   software is a matter of liberty, not price; all users are legally free   
   to do what they want with their copies of a free software (including   
   profiting from them) regardless of how much is paid to obtain the   
   program.[7][2] Computer programs are deemed "free" if they give   
   end-users (not just the developer) ultimate control over the software   
   and, subsequently, over their devices.[5][8]   
      
   The right to study and modify a computer program entails that the source   
   code—the preferred format for making changes—be made available to users   
   of that program. While this is often called "access to source code" or   
   "public availability", the Free Software Foundation (FSF) recommends   
   against thinking in those terms,[9] because it might give the impression   
   that users have an obligation (as opposed to a right) to give non-users   
   a copy of the program.   
      
   Although the term "free software" had already been used loosely in the   
   past and other permissive software like the Berkeley Software   
   Distribution released in 1978 existed,[10] Richard Stallman is credited   
   with tying it to the sense under discussion and starting the free   
   software movement in 1983, when he launched the GNU Project: a   
   collaborative effort to create a freedom-respecting operating system,   
   and to revive the spirit of cooperation once prevalent among hackers   
   during the early days of computing.[11][12]   
      
   >   
   > Sorry to burst your bubble on this.   
      
   Sorry to burst yours.   
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
      
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