XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: usenet@arnowelzel.de   
      
   Marion, 2025-04-11 11:29:   
      
   > On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 09:36:39 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :   
   [...]   
   >> Yes, *if* you have the APK files.   
   >   
   > Again I appreciate that you explain details that both of us are aware of,   
   > but which the vast majority of people out there probably do not know.   
   >   
   > We both agree that Google began requiring all new apps to be published   
   > using the Android App Bundle (AAB) format on August 1, 2021.   
      
   JFTR: I am an app publisher myself. So if I write about Android, keep in   
   mind that I develop software for it ;-)   
      
   My private "pet project" there (beside professional apps which are   
   provided for our customers):   
      
      
      
   [...]   
   > I must disagree with your attitude that you feel there's no reason to   
   > understand anything that you simply happen to not like how it works.   
      
   The normal user can do what he wants and use alternative app stores,   
   additional tools, backup APK files.   
      
   But this is more or less futile. Older app versions may also contain   
   security issues - and this is also a reason *not* to use that, just   
   because you can.   
      
   And if any user complains, that an old version of my app does not work   
   as expected I will of course tell them to use the latest version since I   
   do *not* support older versions. And if the new version does not work on   
   his/her device any longer - bad luck. I can not support devices which   
   are 8 years or older.   
      
   [...]   
   > Your admonition that if you don't like something, then you have no right to   
   > explain how that something works, is not an attitude that I share with you.   
      
   Where did I do that???   
      
   I just said, that if you don't like a system as it works, then don't use it.   
      
   [...]   
   >> Yes, the same as in Android. Android backups do not backup everything   
   >> and apps installer files will not be backed up at all, just the list   
   >> which app should be installed.   
   >   
   > While I understand what you claimed, most people will believe your words as   
   > stated to mean more than what you meant them to mean, so that's a problem.   
   >   
   > The fact is Android already automatically saves every APK you install.   
      
   But not as part of a backup!   
      
   > That base.apk is *always* there. All you have to do is copy it to the PC.   
      
   Sure - but you have to do that manually.   
      
   >  @echo off   
   >  echo Getting list of installed packages...   
   >  adb shell pm list packages -f > packages.txt   
      
   Good luck explaining non tech-savvy users how to get "adb" in their   
   console and how to use a console at all.   
      
   [..]   
   >>> The app backup only contains garbage such as meta data & app data.   
   >>> But the app backup (even with iTunes) does NOT contain the full ipa file.   
   >>   
   >> The same applies to Android.   
   >   
   > That statement is not correct since the Android base apk is always there.   
      
   Wrong. The DEFAULT ANDROID BACKUP DONE BY GOOGLE ITSELF does not contain   
   it! If you move to a NEW DEVICE the BACKUP will NOT contain the APK for it!   
      
      
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   Arno Welzel   
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