XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: nospam@needed.invalid   
      
   On Wed, 4/16/2025 9:52 PM, Alan wrote:   
   > On 2025-04-16 14:24, Paul wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 4/16/2025 4:26 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-04-16 05:28, Paul wrote:   
   >>>> On Wed, 4/16/2025 6:53 AM, Daniel70 wrote:   
   >>>>> On 15/04/2025 6:01 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2025-04-14 17:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Arno Welzel  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> Arno Welzel, 2025-04-14 13:18:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-13 15:57:   
   >>>>>>>> [...]   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Yes, I agree, that Android has the flexibility to user other methods   
   as   
   >>>>>>>> well, like backup apps, ADB and so on - but this needs enough   
   experience   
   >>>>>>>> by the user like how to set up ADB on a computer or how to transfer   
   the   
   >>>>>>>> backup to another device using USB and so on.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>      The methods I mentioned do not require the user to setup ADB.   
   The   
   >>>>>>> Smart Switch Android-to-Windows backup does use a USB-cable, but no   
   ADB.   
   >>>>>>> The Smart Switch Android app can transfer to another phone by Wi-Fi or   
   >>>>>>> USB and can backup to cloud, SD-card or USB-stick.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That's a Samsung app, I understand. What about a generic full backup   
   app, non adb? For any operating system, not Windows only?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Don't know about a Samsung App but, in Linux, I can use a 'dd'   
   commandline command to back up both my Windows and Linux installations.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Is there a similar commandline command for Android and/or Apple Mac??   
   >>>>   
   >>>> On computing devices that support booting from a second OS, you can   
   >>>> gain "dd" access from the second OS. On my MacG4, I booted the Ubuntu PPC   
   >>>> DVD, and used Ubuntu "dd" to transfer out the disk (which would be   
   at-rest).   
   >>>> I used a command line FTP session, and you can mix shell commands into   
   >>>> the ftp commands -- dd can be piped into a (binary) "put". And on the   
   computer   
   >>>> I did that on, the GbE at 112MB/sec, that's the fastest interface it has   
   got.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But something like a phone, there are fewer opportunities for tricks like   
   that.   
   >>>> Rooting the phone, if you can manage it, is as close as you're getting   
   >>>> to a good time.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> On at least one phone, the NAND is hidden underneath something, and   
   >>>> you can't cable up and read-out the NAND chip with external equipment.   
   >>>> For some of the devices, it's pretty well secured. You would not expect   
   >>>> a simple trick to work in such a case.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      Paul   
   >>>   
   >>> Or you could just use the "dd" command built into the Unix sub-system of   
   every Mac since Mac OS X was first released in 2001...   
   >>   
   >> But not make a copy of the disk while it is "hot".   
   >> The MacG4 Quad Nostril does not have VSS and shadow copy for hot backups.   
   > So make a second boot drive for the Mac.   
      
   I stopped opening up the G4 after a while. It required sitting   
   on my kitchen floor and "cradling the scissor case" when opening it.   
   That's to avoid stressing the cables in it.   
      
   The machine does have multiple drives. It even has an Acard IDE controller   
   and IDE disks in it. It has an Async SCSI for my scanner. It does not lack   
   for storage. But I was getting tired of sitting on the kitchen floor,   
   so after a while, the case just stayed shut. That was my daily driver   
   for quite a while, but it was my last Apple product. I had two other   
   Apple machines, and one of those had six expansion cards in it (all   
   the slots were full).   
      
   This is one of the reasons, in the current computer room, *the* most popular   
   computer, is the one with a flat door panel with a handle on it. I used to have   
   computer cases, where the silly drives used to slide into front mount   
   tray holes (it would take like ten minutes to change a drive),   
   but the machine with the nice door, the trays face the user   
   and are immediately accessible. I have "enjoyed the hell" out of the   
   two of those I own. The trays for the disks are steel, so you don't have   
   to worry about the competitor cases that use plastic trays. That's   
   the Antec Sonata case. It's amazing, what a few convenience features   
   makes to your opinion of a thing.   
      
      Paul   
      
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