XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-04-16 14:24, Paul wrote:   
   > On Wed, 4/16/2025 4:26 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >> On 2025-04-16 05:28, Paul wrote:   
   >>> On Wed, 4/16/2025 6:53 AM, Daniel70 wrote:   
   >>>> On 15/04/2025 6:01 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2025-04-14 17:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   >>>>>> Arno Welzel  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Arno Welzel, 2025-04-14 13:18:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-13 15:57:   
   >>>>>>> [...]   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Yes, I agree, that Android has the flexibility to user other methods as   
   >>>>>>> well, like backup apps, ADB and so on - but this needs enough   
   experience   
   >>>>>>> by the user like how to set up ADB on a computer or how to transfer the   
   >>>>>>> backup to another device using USB and so on.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>      The methods I mentioned do not require the user to setup ADB.   
   The   
   >>>>>> Smart Switch Android-to-Windows backup does use a USB-cable, but no ADB.   
   >>>>>> The Smart Switch Android app can transfer to another phone by Wi-Fi or   
   >>>>>> USB and can backup to cloud, SD-card or USB-stick.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That's a Samsung app, I understand. What about a generic full backup   
   app, non adb? For any operating system, not Windows only?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Don't know about a Samsung App but, in Linux, I can use a 'dd'   
   commandline command to back up both my Windows and Linux installations.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is there a similar commandline command for Android and/or Apple Mac??   
   >>>   
   >>> On computing devices that support booting from a second OS, you can   
   >>> gain "dd" access from the second OS. On my MacG4, I booted the Ubuntu PPC   
   >>> DVD, and used Ubuntu "dd" to transfer out the disk (which would be   
   at-rest).   
   >>> I used a command line FTP session, and you can mix shell commands into   
   >>> the ftp commands -- dd can be piped into a (binary) "put". And on the   
   computer   
   >>> I did that on, the GbE at 112MB/sec, that's the fastest interface it has   
   got.   
   >>>   
   >>> But something like a phone, there are fewer opportunities for tricks like   
   that.   
   >>> Rooting the phone, if you can manage it, is as close as you're getting   
   >>> to a good time.   
   >>>   
   >>> On at least one phone, the NAND is hidden underneath something, and   
   >>> you can't cable up and read-out the NAND chip with external equipment.   
   >>> For some of the devices, it's pretty well secured. You would not expect   
   >>> a simple trick to work in such a case.   
   >>>   
   >>>      Paul   
   >>   
   >> Or you could just use the "dd" command built into the Unix sub-system of   
   every Mac since Mac OS X was first released in 2001...   
   >   
   > But not make a copy of the disk while it is "hot".   
   > The MacG4 Quad Nostril does not have VSS and shadow copy for hot backups.   
   So make a second boot drive for the Mac.   
      
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