XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-04-16 22:15, Paul wrote:   
   > On Wed, 4/16/2025 9:52 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >> On 2025-04-16 14:24, Paul wrote:   
   >>> On Wed, 4/16/2025 4:26 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-04-16 05:28, Paul wrote:   
   >>>>> On Wed, 4/16/2025 6:53 AM, Daniel70 wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 15/04/2025 6:01 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2025-04-14 17:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> Arno Welzel  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Arno Welzel, 2025-04-14 13:18:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-13 15:57:   
   >>>>>>>>> [...]   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree, that Android has the flexibility to user other methods   
   as   
   >>>>>>>>> well, like backup apps, ADB and so on - but this needs enough   
   experience   
   >>>>>>>>> by the user like how to set up ADB on a computer or how to transfer   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>> backup to another device using USB and so on.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>       The methods I mentioned do not require the user to setup   
   ADB. The   
   >>>>>>>> Smart Switch Android-to-Windows backup does use a USB-cable, but no   
   ADB.   
   >>>>>>>> The Smart Switch Android app can transfer to another phone by Wi-Fi or   
   >>>>>>>> USB and can backup to cloud, SD-card or USB-stick.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That's a Samsung app, I understand. What about a generic full backup   
   app, non adb? For any operating system, not Windows only?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Don't know about a Samsung App but, in Linux, I can use a 'dd'   
   commandline command to back up both my Windows and Linux installations.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Is there a similar commandline command for Android and/or Apple Mac??   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> On computing devices that support booting from a second OS, you can   
   >>>>> gain "dd" access from the second OS. On my MacG4, I booted the Ubuntu PPC   
   >>>>> DVD, and used Ubuntu "dd" to transfer out the disk (which would be   
   at-rest).   
   >>>>> I used a command line FTP session, and you can mix shell commands into   
   >>>>> the ftp commands -- dd can be piped into a (binary) "put". And on the   
   computer   
   >>>>> I did that on, the GbE at 112MB/sec, that's the fastest interface it has   
   got.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But something like a phone, there are fewer opportunities for tricks   
   like that.   
   >>>>> Rooting the phone, if you can manage it, is as close as you're getting   
   >>>>> to a good time.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> On at least one phone, the NAND is hidden underneath something, and   
   >>>>> you can't cable up and read-out the NAND chip with external equipment.   
   >>>>> For some of the devices, it's pretty well secured. You would not expect   
   >>>>> a simple trick to work in such a case.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>       Paul   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Or you could just use the "dd" command built into the Unix sub-system of   
   every Mac since Mac OS X was first released in 2001...   
   >>>   
   >>> But not make a copy of the disk while it is "hot".   
   >>> The MacG4 Quad Nostril does not have VSS and shadow copy for hot backups.   
   >> So make a second boot drive for the Mac.   
   >   
   > I stopped opening up the G4 after a while. It required sitting   
   > on my kitchen floor and "cradling the scissor case" when opening it.   
   > That's to avoid stressing the cables in it.   
      
   And you've never heard of external drives?   
      
   We're talking about a special purpose boot drive you'd only use to do   
   your dd backup.   
      
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