From: nospam@needed.invalid   
      
   On Sat, 7/5/2025 8:32 PM, bad sector wrote:   
   > On 7/4/25 2:18 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:   
   >> On 04/07/2025 03.58, bad sector wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> I'm trying to find out why I'm getting no sound out the board's own   
   backpanel 1/8" audio Line-Out (green) port. AFAIK this port should ALWAYS   
   work! Also AFAIK there had been some driver delays but the 3 sound systems all   
   seem to be driven now. BIOS    
   just saus HD Audio and is 'Enabled' & in Suse Tumbleweed Yast reports:   
   >>>   
   >>> Navi 31 HDMI/DP Audio   
   >>>   Drivers   
   >>>    Active: yes   
   >>>    modprobe: Yes   
   >>>   modules   
   >>>    modprobe snd_hda-intel   
   >>>   
   >>> Rembrandt Radeon HD audio controller   
   >>>   Drivers   
   >>>    Active: yes   
   >>>    modprobe: Yes   
   >>>   modules   
   >>>    modprobe snd_hda-intel   
   >>>   
   >>> Family 17h/19h/1ah HD Audio Controller   
   >>>   Drivers   
   >>>    Active: yes   
   >>>    modprobe: Yes   
   >>>   modules   
   >>>    modprobe snd_hda-intel   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't even know what these all are, I mean which one does what exactly?   
   >>   
   >> This is my guestimation:   
   >> Navi is your RDNA based Radeon card.   
   >> Family is your motherboards built in audio card   
   >> Rembrandt I guess is the audio in the Graphics provided by your CPU.   
   >>   
   >>> In linux plugging the headset into the rear port just gives me scratchy   
   static blasts when I move the headset plug. So maybe the (always shitty at   
   best) mini receptacle is broken or desoldered?   
   >>>   
   >>> The front panel (extension headers) headset port works fine.   
   >>   
   >> Some setups have had the issue that you either can use the ports in the   
   back or the front, not both at the same time, not sure if that is the case for   
   you.   
   >   
   > I use the same mini stereo cable to feed my headset so either it's in the   
   front panel 'headset' receptacle OR the rear motherboard panel Line-Out one.   
   Would there be any point in disconnectiong the front panel completely from the   
   board audio pinout?    
   Wouldn't make much sense having to to do that, I rather suspect the board   
   panel Line-Out receptackle is dead, it's the most plausible cause.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Also things depends on what are you using in the pipewire/pulseaudio   
   Analog/Digital vs Pro Audio profile. You should go with the Pro Audio nowadays.   
   >   
   > I have Proaudio as selection for all 3 in PAVU Configuration tab   
   >   
   > Configuration:   
   >  Nav31: Proaudio   
   >  Rembrandt: Proaudio   
   >  Family17: Proaudio   
   >   
   > (doing the dialog backward because Config setup affectrs the previous tabs)   
   >   
   > Input devices:   
   >  Family 17 Pro   
   >  Family 17 Pro2   
   >   
   > Output devices: (all enabled)   
   >  Rembrandt Radeon HD Audio Controler Pro   
   >  Rembrandt Radeon HD Audio Controler Pro7   
   >  Rembrandt Radeon HD Audio Controler Pro8   
   >  Family17 HD Audio Controler Pro   
   >  Navi31 HDMI/DP Audio Pro   
   >  Navi31 HDMI/DP Audio Pro7   
   >  Navi31 HDMI/DP Audio Pro8   
   >  Navi31 HDMI/DP Audio Pro9   
   >   
   >   
   > Recording tab: nothing   
   >   
   > Playback tab:   
   >  System Sounds   
   >   
   > I put the headset cable from the front panel, plug it into   
     the board Line-Out = no sound. I do get a noise when partly   
     inserted, goes silent when fully in.   
   >   
      
   That might be similar to plugging TRRS male into TRS female,   
   but looking at the manual, I did not get any sense whatsoever,   
   of any Creative Audio shenanigans. Some equipment use stupid mixtures   
   of TRS and TRRS, just to annoy people.   
      
   I don't expect it's anything like that, and it is some sort of   
   software issue.   
      
   I would try an "alternate test environment", evaluate the hardware,   
   hear that it all works, then go back to trying to figure out   
   the sound config details on the current setup.   
      
   I don't think the fine details of the ALC 1220 are the root cause here.   
   But you need to try any sort of alternate driver-bringup to evaluate   
   whether it can ever be made to work.   
      
   The FP header on the board, and the computer case, they have "modes".   
   The case FP can be "AC'97 era with looped Line_out wiring" or   
   it can be declared as having "HDaudio jacks with side-contact   
   presence detect". Sometimes this is implemented as two separate case   
   looms for AC'97 or HDAudio usage.   
      
   The total of eight stereo channels on the chip, drive two encoder-trees   
   of four jacks each, into the two presence detect signals on the side   
   of the chip. In the HDaudio era, there is independence between Line_out   
   on the back and FP Headphone and FP Microphone. Only the usage of some   
   AC'97 setup could short something together, and there are likely   
   instructions in the manual for "not doing certain things to   
   aggravate the situation". For example, the two blue shorting jumpers   
   for an AC'97 header would be missing on a modern machine, to prevent   
   a user from getting themselves into trouble.   
      
   To do a good job, a builder has to read both the motherboard   
   manual, and the instructions that come with the case (such as   
   they are). Not all the manuals are of equal value to a builder.   
      
      Phantek  - no manual entry for audio, FP cable is (marked) HDAudio only   
   (Presence# grounded)   
      
      Asus Mobo - FP wiring indicated as HDAudio format, and wiring matches   
                  my memory of the signal purpose.   
      
   which is different than some older computer cases, which have a AC'97 loom   
   for FP in the case, as well as an HDAudio loom for FP, and you only   
   connect the "right one" for the vintage of motherboard. A really old   
   motherboard, you would use the AC'97 loom after removing the two   
   blue shorting plugs from the AC'97 motherboard.   
      
   Your setup is new enough, it should be HDAudio on both ends and   
   pretty hard to foul up unless the header was shifted. And you can't   
   shift the header, because it has a keying pin!   
      
   Some motherboards, when you flip them over, they have white paper   
   "arrows" adhered to the PCB, marking "places of potential short circuit".   
   You are supposed to pay attention to the arrows, and remove the case   
   tray standoffs that correspond to the trouble-arrow indicator.   
      
   On the A7N8X Deluxe, of the nine standoffs on the tray, one must   
   be removed, or it shorts out the Left channel of LineOut :-)   
   This is not marked on the PCB. the usage of the paper-arrows is   
   a new thing.   
      
      Paul   
      
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