From: nospam@invalid.not   
      
   Pastor Dave wrote:   
   > On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:47:57 -0700, "relic"  spake   
   > thusly:   
   >   
   >   
   >> Pastor Dave wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Relic,   
   >>>   
   >>> First I am pasting in the last response I sent to you   
   >>> for context and then I will add some text afterward.   
   >>>   
   >>> The message quote starts with my comment and   
   >>> goes on from there, with our responses to each   
   >>> sent back and forth. :)   
   >>>   
   >>>   
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   >>> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:17:06 -0700,   
   >>> "relic"  spake thusly:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>> Pastor Dave wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> An Admin password is usually set up during install   
   >>>>>>> and if the user didn't leave it blank and most people   
   >>>>>>> don't, then they won't be able to get in, unless they   
   >>>>>>> remember it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Not XP.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yes, XP.  You do set up the Admin password during install.   
   >>>>> You can choose to just hit  and leave it blank,   
   >>>>> but it is set during the XP install.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I've install XP hundreds of times and it has never   
   >>>> asked me to set a password during the install   
   >>>> for anything.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Before you respond again, go and search MS's web site.   
   >>>>> I'm sure they have a note or two about it there. :)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No need; experience is always better.   
   >>>   
   >>> Then get some more. :)   
   >>>   
   >>> I have installed XP hundreds of times myself and   
   >>> I'm telling you that you're wrong.  You have forgotten   
   >>> that step, is all.   
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   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> I knew that what I said was correct, as I have been   
   >>> a genuine technician for almost 30 years now and   
   >>> have taught many of the computer related subjects.   
   >>>   
   >>> But I said, "Hey, who knows?  Maybe I'm getting old!". :)   
   >>>   
   >>> So anyway, I just redid my system with XP and guess   
   >>> what happened?   
   >>>   
   >>> It did indeed ask for a password for the Administrator   
   >>> account during the install. :)   
   >>>   
   >>> So yes, while you can just hit  and leave it blank   
   >>> (not advisable, as it's the first account a hacker will try to   
   >>> gain access to), it does ask for a password and you must   
   >>> go through that screen to proceed with the install.   
   >>>   
   >>> I thought you would appreciate the information, as well   
   >>> as others who may have read the exchange between us   
   >>> and weren't sure which one of us was correct. :)   
   >>>   
   >>> Hope this helps! :)   
   >>   
   >> Either both of us are correct (how??), or you're installing   
   >> something other than I am.  I usually install authentic   
   >> XP Pro, OEM and Retail versions, but I have installed   
   >> a few XP Home (I've also installed a couple 'HP Brand'   
   >> recovery versions).  Not once did I ever get asked to   
   >> set a password.   
   >   
   > Sure ya did! :)  You're just getting old and forgetting! :)   
   >   
   > All seriousness aside though, recovery discs don't count.   
   > Some of them won't ask for an Admin password, as it's   
   > predetermined and added during the recovery procedure   
   > automatically and it's something that the manufacturer   
   > of the PC would know, should you need it.   
   >   
   > Side note: While that may urk some people, bear in mind   
   >                that the whole reason for an Admin password   
   >                is that the Admin is not the person using it   
   >                and is for the Admin to be able to come in   
   >                and handle the issues and so, the manufacturer   
   >                in a case like this, would be placing themselves   
   >                in as the Administrator.   
   >   
   > I don't know if you've ever done what's called an "unattended   
   > install", but a recovery procedure using those discs is that sort   
   > of thing, at least for the most part. :)  In fact, some recovery   
   > discs won't even ask you for your own user name and will use   
   > a predefined one for you. :)   
   >   
   > But as for a normal XP install...   
   >   
   > I think you're forgetting seeing it, or you're so used to   
   > just hitting  there, that you don't even realize   
   > it's that screen.  We all get into certain habits. :)   
   >   
   > Or, you are using an OEM disc that does already provide   
   > an answer for that question and so, bypasses it and that   
   > would make me wonder what else you're missing out on   
   > during the install. :)   
   >   
   > I assure you, that what I am installing is standard XP Pro   
   > and I have both the retail boxed version and an OEM as   
   > well.  Bear in mind that OEM doesn't always mean brand   
   > specific, but can be the same version, just without the   
   > fancy M$ box, but installs exactly the same and this is   
   > what most people who have OEM XP discs have.   
   >   
   > Besides, I would probably shoot on site, if I saw someone   
   > installing XP Home.  :)   
   >   
   > I also have installed this OS in various forms hundreds   
   > and hundreds of times, including deploying them over   
   > networks and so, I know the OS extremely well and that   
   > includes under the hood and I'm telling you, it does ask   
   > for an Admin password!   
   >   
   > Again, unless you have it set up for an unattended install,   
   > with at least having set certain parameters to be automated   
   > during the install, having already provided the answers in   
   > an answer file, or possibly the disc of XP you have is one   
   > that was made for this purpose by someone and has an   
   > answer file on it.   
   >   
   > No disrespect intended Relic, but I just did it again a few   
   > days ago and I can point you to source after source that   
   > will confirm that yes indeed, an Administrator password   
   > is required (or you can leave it blank and hit    
   > to have no password) during the install.   
   >   
   > So my point is, what is the likelihood that myself and all of   
   > these sources are wrong and Relic is right?  Think about it. :)   
   >   
   > And think about it from a technical standpoint for a moment,   
   > in relation to OS security from the standpoint of intrusion on   
   > a network, remembering that we're not talking about the   
   > Home version here, but the Professional version, which means   
   > just that (for professional/commercial settings) and is deployed   
   > over commercial networks.  So what you are saying, is that it   
   > is standard to have it leave the Administrator password blank   
   > during a commercial install (that's what XP Pro is really for),   
   > which leaves their network wide open to hackers, since there's   
   > no password there.  Hmmm...  Now does that really sound   
   > right to you? :)  Agreed that on a large network, it would be   
   > done using an unattended install over the network, but there   
   > would already be an Admin password in the answer file,   
   > or it would be setup with a centralized password for the   
   > Admin on the server.  But in a smaller network, it's usually   
   > done machine by machine, as they're added that is the   
   > default with XP Pro and so what I said would end up being   
   > the case, if what you're saying is correct.   
   >   
   > Now while I'll grant you that the IQ when it comes to security   
      
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