From: relic2@cjb.net
Jack wrote:
> Pastor Dave wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:47:57 -0700, "relic" spake
>> thusly:
>>
>>
>>> Pastor Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Relic,
>>>>
>>>> First I am pasting in the last response I sent to you
>>>> for context and then I will add some text afterward.
>>>>
>>>> The message quote starts with my comment and
>>>> goes on from there, with our responses to each
>>>> sent back and forth. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> START MESSAGE QUOTE:
>>>> ***********************************************************
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>>>> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:17:06 -0700,
>>>> "relic" spake thusly:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Pastor Dave wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An Admin password is usually set up during install
>>>>>>>> and if the user didn't leave it blank and most people
>>>>>>>> don't, then they won't be able to get in, unless they
>>>>>>>> remember it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, XP. You do set up the Admin password during install.
>>>>>> You can choose to just hit and leave it blank,
>>>>>> but it is set during the XP install.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've install XP hundreds of times and it has never
>>>>> asked me to set a password during the install
>>>>> for anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Before you respond again, go and search MS's web site.
>>>>>> I'm sure they have a note or two about it there. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> No need; experience is always better.
>>>>
>>>> Then get some more. :)
>>>>
>>>> I have installed XP hundreds of times myself and
>>>> I'm telling you that you're wrong. You have forgotten
>>>> that step, is all.
>>>> ***********************************************************
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>>>> END MESSAGE QUOTE:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I knew that what I said was correct, as I have been
>>>> a genuine technician for almost 30 years now and
>>>> have taught many of the computer related subjects.
>>>>
>>>> But I said, "Hey, who knows? Maybe I'm getting old!". :)
>>>>
>>>> So anyway, I just redid my system with XP and guess
>>>> what happened?
>>>>
>>>> It did indeed ask for a password for the Administrator
>>>> account during the install. :)
>>>>
>>>> So yes, while you can just hit and leave it blank
>>>> (not advisable, as it's the first account a hacker will try to
>>>> gain access to), it does ask for a password and you must
>>>> go through that screen to proceed with the install.
>>>>
>>>> I thought you would appreciate the information, as well
>>>> as others who may have read the exchange between us
>>>> and weren't sure which one of us was correct. :)
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps! :)
>>>
>>> Either both of us are correct (how??), or you're installing
>>> something other than I am. I usually install authentic
>>> XP Pro, OEM and Retail versions, but I have installed
>>> a few XP Home (I've also installed a couple 'HP Brand'
>>> recovery versions). Not once did I ever get asked to
>>> set a password.
>>
>> Sure ya did! :) You're just getting old and forgetting! :)
>>
>> All seriousness aside though, recovery discs don't count.
>> Some of them won't ask for an Admin password, as it's
>> predetermined and added during the recovery procedure
>> automatically and it's something that the manufacturer
>> of the PC would know, should you need it.
>>
>> Side note: While that may urk some people, bear in mind
>> that the whole reason for an Admin password
>> is that the Admin is not the person using it
>> and is for the Admin to be able to come in
>> and handle the issues and so, the manufacturer
>> in a case like this, would be placing themselves
>> in as the Administrator.
>>
>> I don't know if you've ever done what's called an "unattended
>> install", but a recovery procedure using those discs is that sort
>> of thing, at least for the most part. :) In fact, some recovery
>> discs won't even ask you for your own user name and will use
>> a predefined one for you. :)
>>
>> But as for a normal XP install...
>>
>> I think you're forgetting seeing it, or you're so used to
>> just hitting there, that you don't even realize
>> it's that screen. We all get into certain habits. :)
>>
>> Or, you are using an OEM disc that does already provide
>> an answer for that question and so, bypasses it and that
>> would make me wonder what else you're missing out on
>> during the install. :)
>>
>> I assure you, that what I am installing is standard XP Pro
>> and I have both the retail boxed version and an OEM as
>> well. Bear in mind that OEM doesn't always mean brand
>> specific, but can be the same version, just without the
>> fancy M$ box, but installs exactly the same and this is
>> what most people who have OEM XP discs have.
>>
>> Besides, I would probably shoot on site, if I saw someone
>> installing XP Home. :)
>>
>> I also have installed this OS in various forms hundreds
>> and hundreds of times, including deploying them over
>> networks and so, I know the OS extremely well and that
>> includes under the hood and I'm telling you, it does ask
>> for an Admin password!
>>
>> Again, unless you have it set up for an unattended install,
>> with at least having set certain parameters to be automated
>> during the install, having already provided the answers in
>> an answer file, or possibly the disc of XP you have is one
>> that was made for this purpose by someone and has an
>> answer file on it.
>>
>> No disrespect intended Relic, but I just did it again a few
>> days ago and I can point you to source after source that
>> will confirm that yes indeed, an Administrator password
>> is required (or you can leave it blank and hit
>> to have no password) during the install.
>>
>> So my point is, what is the likelihood that myself and all of
>> these sources are wrong and Relic is right? Think about it. :)
>>
>> And think about it from a technical standpoint for a moment,
>> in relation to OS security from the standpoint of intrusion on
>> a network, remembering that we're not talking about the
>> Home version here, but the Professional version, which means
>> just that (for professional/commercial settings) and is deployed
>> over commercial networks. So what you are saying, is that it
>> is standard to have it leave the Administrator password blank
>> during a commercial install (that's what XP Pro is really for),
>> which leaves their network wide open to hackers, since there's
>> no password there. Hmmm... Now does that really sound
>> right to you? :) Agreed that on a large network, it would be
>> done using an unattended install over the network, but there
>> would already be an Admin password in the answer file,
>> or it would be setup with a centralized password for the
>> Admin on the server. But in a smaller network, it's usually
>> done machine by machine, as they're added that is the
>> default with XP Pro and so what I said would end up being
>> the case, if what you're saying is correct.
>>
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