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   From: Redjackson@yahoo.com   
      
   "Howard"  wrote in message   
   news:1keoua8.1n1cqbq171ydgoN%Howard.not@home.com...   
      
   Redjak  wrote:   
      
   > "Howard"  wrote in message   
   > news:1kele81.1sbles95kjadcN%Howard.not@home.com...   
   >   
   > Robbie  wrote:   
   >   
   > > for their piss poor stand on human rights violations!!!   
   >   
   >   
   > >Bullshit.   
   >   
   > What you conveniently clipped:   
   >   
   > 'Before those blasts, Apple had been alerted to hazardous conditions   
   > inside the Chengdu plant, according to a Chinese group that   
   > published   
   > that warning.'   
   >   
   > AND:   
   >   
   > 'We've known about labor abuses in some factories for four years,   
   > and   
   > they're still going on,' former Apple executive says, 'Why? Because   
   > the system works for us'   
   >   
   > AND:   
   >   
   > 'Two people were killed immediately, and over a dozen others hurt.'   
   >   
   > AND:   
   >   
   > Definition Ostrichism:  the deliberate avoidance or ignorance of   
   > conditions as they exist .   
   >   
   > Did you take that class perhaps?   
      
   >Yes.   
      
   OK, that explains it.   
      
   > I also believe that actual truth matters. The article in question   
   >is not convincing in that regard and only today has been challenged   
   >for   
   >accuracy in numerous respects by the non-profit organization Business   
   >for Social Responsibilty.   
      
   Hired by Apple.   
      
   >There is no evidence that Apple has intentionally ignored any   
   >misbehaviour by Foxconn.   
      
   That is simply not true.  From what you didn't read, or, read and   
   ignored.   
      
   'We've known about labor abuses in some factories for four years, and   
   they're still going on,' former Apple executive says, 'Why? Because   
   the system works for us'   
      
   >There is no evidence that they have ignored   
   >alerts by Business for Social Responsibilty who actually say that   
   >Apple   
   >have responded and acted on all contacts from them.   
      
   Again;   
   'We've known about labor abuses in some factories for four years, and   
   they're still going on,' former Apple executive says, 'Why? Because   
   the system works for us'   
      
   Look up -"empowerment".   
      
   >It is disingenuous and ridiculous to criticise a company for   
   >accidents   
   >in it's suppliers factories. Foxconn has it's own responsibilities   
   >and   
   >there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever about the cause of the   
   >explosion or whether it had any causes in issues that would concern   
   >Apple.   
      
   There is something called "moral responsibility".  Since Apple   
   condones theses abuses, or at least closes it's eyes to them, do you   
   also?  My guess; a poor Chinaman trying to make a living under   
   deplorable conditions only crosses your mind when you are compelled to   
   defend Apple.   
      
      
   >This is a company that employs hundreds of throusands of people.  It   
   >would be absolutely astonishing if there was no accidents, deaths or   
   >suicides among that enormous population.   
      
   Hog wash. That is a strawman, pure and simple.  Foxxconn is not a   
   heavy construction company.  And suicide doesn't happen at all major   
   manufactures with the frequency that it does at Foxxconn.   
      
   If Apple truly cared, and really wanted change, their $100 BILLION   
   would insure it.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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