From: laura@nospam.me   
      
   "David Mitchell"  wrote in message   
   news:pan.2005.01.09.09.22.55.183504@edenroad.demon.co.uk...   
   > HI all,   
   >   
   > Just had a couple of fairly unsatisfactory experiences this morning:   
   > Firstly I managed to convert the dream sound of falling plaster into   
   > the vibes, then I tried to "roll out" - imagining movement didn't work,   
   > but some element of will seemed to do the trick (sorry to be so vague),   
   > and I felt myself to be about halfway down the side of the bed before I   
   > got too excited by the success and lost it.   
   >   
   > This felt convincingly real, I felt that I had full volition, and that I   
   > was fully conscious, even though I started with a dream.   
   >   
   > Some time later, I managed to get the vibes again, and this time hold it   
   > long enough to feel as though I was completely separated.  Unfortunately I   
   > had no sensory input, and although I had time to try a couple of   
   > "affirmations" they didn't work.   
   >   
   > This also felt real; but I'm not convinced that it wasn't more of a dream   
   > than the first one: looking back on it memory and current experience were   
   > intermingled to a greater degree than I would expect (although I find   
   > this to be characteristic of the vibe state in general).   
   >   
   > Interesting, for me at least, since I learned a few more things about   
   > inducing the vibes, and that, for me at least, Monroe's advice to imagine   
   > rolling out didn't seem to work, although willing it did.   
   >   
   > Annoyingly short, however, and the lack of sensory input is very   
   > frustrating - making it impossible to apply any techniques to check the   
   > level of wakefulness or veracity.   
   >   
      
   Interesting :-)   
   Imagining rolling out never helped me either. I simply do it, and I'm never   
   entirely sure whether I'm moving physically or not. Someday I'll probably   
   land painfully on the floor :-)   
   Also, I often start out with little or no sensory input, but that tends to   
   fix itself if the experience lasts more than a few seconds.   
   The other night, I rolled out, and my vision was "strobing" - I would see   
   brief flashes of my surroundings a couple of times per second, clearly   
   separated by darkness.   
      
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