From: laura@nospam.me
"LH" wrote in message
news:KfcEd.2502$pZ4.1880@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> My replies to both post are in this one post.
>
> "Laura" wrote in message
> news:crrgiu$qhc$10@news.cybercity.dk...
> >
> > "David Mitchell" wrote in message
> > news:pan.2005.01.09.09.22.55.183504@edenroad.demon.co.uk...
> >> HI all,
> >>
> >> Just had a couple of fairly unsatisfactory experiences this morning:
> >> Firstly I managed to convert the dream sound of falling plaster into
> >> the vibes, then I tried to "roll out" - imagining movement didn't work,
> >> but some element of will seemed to do the trick (sorry to be so vague),
> >> and I felt myself to be about halfway down the side of the bed before I
> >> got too excited by the success and lost it.
>
> Keep going, you'll get the nack of it. It takes a few times, generally.
>
> >> This felt convincingly real, I felt that I had full volition, and that
I
> >> was fully conscious, even though I started with a dream.
> >>
> >> Some time later, I managed to get the vibes again, and this time hold
it
> >> long enough to feel as though I was completely separated.
Unfortunately
> >> I
> >> had no sensory input, and although I had time to try a couple of
> >> "affirmations" they didn't work.
>
> I haven't had much luck with affirmations either.
>
> >> This also felt real; but I'm not convinced that it wasn't more of a
dream
> >> than the first one: looking back on it memory and current experience
were
> >> intermingled to a greater degree than I would expect (although I find
> >> this to be characteristic of the vibe state in general).
> >>
> >> Interesting, for me at least, since I learned a few more things about
> >> inducing the vibes, and that, for me at least, Monroe's advice to
imagine
> >> rolling out didn't seem to work, although willing it did.
> >>
> >> Annoyingly short, however, and the lack of sensory input is very
> >> frustrating - making it impossible to apply any techniques to check the
> >> level of wakefulness or veracity.
>
> Keep at it, it will get easier and thanks for posting your experience.
>
> >
> > Interesting :-)
> > Imagining rolling out never helped me either. I simply do it, and I'm
> > never
> > entirely sure whether I'm moving physically or not. Someday I'll
probably
> > land painfully on the floor :-)]
>
> Ditto, imagining never did anything for me either. I just do it too.
It's
> like you're rolling out of bed only your body stays behind, you just roll.
> There is a measure of trust required.
Or a "Heck, here goes nothing!" attitude ;-)
> You have to trust that your body will
> stay behind, if it doesn't that could be painfully funny. It is kind of
fun
> and many times I go tumbling across the floor and through things, as I
tend
> to roll out with gusto. Thank God for sleep paralysis.
I often fall to the floor, and moments later realize that it wasn't painful
at all. Sometimes I even manage to get up first. Sometimes the cue is that
there was no pain, and sometimes that I was able to get up from an awkward
position with astonishing ease.
Of course, other times I never touch the floor at all, having no body image
at all.
>
> > Also, I often start out with little or no sensory input, but that tends
to
> > fix itself if the experience lasts more than a few seconds.
> > The other night, I rolled out, and my vision was "strobing" - I would
see
> > brief flashes of my surroundings a couple of times per second, clearly
> > separated by darkness.
>
> Interesting, I've never had that problem. I've never noticed a laps in my
> senses. Sometimes they're clearer than others. For me I've correlated my
> level of awakeness at the time of exit, with the clarity of my senses.
The
> more fully awake I am before I exit, the clearer my senses seem to
> be. --Lonnie
I think I agree with that correlation, and I generally don't have weird
visual effects like the one I described - just a more or less vivid
perception.
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