From: janice@mailinator.com   
      
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   david@edenroad.demon.co.uk says...   
      
   >Just had a couple of fairly unsatisfactory experiences this morning:   
   >Firstly I managed to convert the dream sound of falling plaster into   
   >the vibes, then I tried to "roll out" - imagining movement didn't work,   
   >but some element of will seemed to do the trick (sorry to be so vague),   
   >and I felt myself to be about halfway down the side of the bed before I   
   >got too excited by the success and lost it.   
      
   Imagination can work for me, but I have to be focused and persistent with   
   it.  I'll need to imagine very carefully getting up, moving about,   
   touching things and hearing things until at a point it feels like   
   perception rather than imagination.   
      
   ...   
      
   >Some time later, I managed to get the vibes again, and this time hold it   
   >long enough to feel as though I was completely separated.  Unfortunately I   
   >had no sensory input, and although I had time to try a couple of   
   >"affirmations" they didn't work.   
      
   It can take awhile.  If the experience goes on long enough all the   
   sensory elements should start to fill in on their own, though not   
   necessarily all at the same time.  You might, for instance, proceed   
   noiselessly through your home then pass outside to a surprising burst of   
   birdsong. :-)   
      
   >This also felt real; but I'm not convinced that it wasn't more of a dream   
   >than the first one: looking back on it memory and current experience were   
   >intermingled to a greater degree than I would expect (although I find   
   >this to be characteristic of the vibe state in general).   
      
   OBEs, like LDs, can sometimes be semilucid.   
      
   >Interesting, for me at least, since I learned a few more things about   
   >inducing the vibes, and that, for me at least, Monroe's advice to imagine   
   >rolling out didn't seem to work, although willing it did.   
      
   Simply acting as if you can move, letting that expectation override the   
   sensation of being immobilized, can be helpful.   
      
   >Annoyingly short, however, and the lack of sensory input is very   
   >frustrating - making it impossible to apply any techniques to check the   
   >level of wakefulness or veracity.   
      
   You can make some tests of the level of wakefulness without sensory input   
   -- testing your access to various types of memories, for instance.   
      
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