From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:19:54 -0500, Janice wrote:   
      
   > In article ,   
   > david@edenroad.demon.co.uk says...   
      
   > Imagination can work for me, but I have to be focused and persistent   
   > with it.  I'll need to imagine very carefully getting up, moving about,   
   > touching things and hearing things until at a point it feels like   
   > perception rather than imagination.   
      
   I've tried your OBE method a couple of dozen times now, but without any   
   success I'm afraid.   
      
   >>Some time later, I managed to get the vibes again, and this time hold it   
   >>long enough to feel as though I was completely separated.  Unfortunately I   
   >>had no sensory input, and although I had time to try a couple of   
   >>"affirmations" they didn't work.   
   >   
   > It can take awhile.  If the experience goes on long enough all the   
   > sensory elements should start to fill in on their own, though not   
   > necessarily all at the same time.  You might, for instance, proceed   
   > noiselessly through your home then pass outside to a surprising burst of   
   > birdsong. :-)   
      
   Problem is, I don't usually have a while, in fact I'm generally trying to   
   stabilise a high-bandwidth sense as quickly as possible in the hope that   
   it'll serve to anchor me in whatever state I'm in.   
      
   >   
   >>This also felt real; but I'm not convinced that it wasn't more of a dream   
   >>than the first one: looking back on it memory and current experience were   
   >>intermingled to a greater degree than I would expect (although I find   
   >>this to be characteristic of the vibe state in general).   
   >   
   > OBEs, like LDs, can sometimes be semilucid.   
      
   It's very annoying!   
      
   >   
   >>Interesting, for me at least, since I learned a few more things about   
   >>inducing the vibes, and that, for me at least, Monroe's advice to imagine   
   >>rolling out didn't seem to work, although willing it did.   
   >   
   > Simply acting as if you can move, letting that expectation override the   
   > sensation of being immobilized, can be helpful.   
      
   I generally don't feel paralysed - not that I try to move any limbs, I'm   
   very aware of the danger of "snapping back".   
      
   >   
   >>Annoyingly short, however, and the lack of sensory input is very   
   >>frustrating - making it impossible to apply any techniques to check the   
   >>level of wakefulness or veracity.   
   >   
   > You can make some tests of the level of wakefulness without sensory input   
   > -- testing your access to various types of memories, for instance.   
      
   I do apply certain internal metrics to the experience; but actually I find   
   that attempting to recall long-term experiential memories is one of the   
   things which increases the intensity of the vibes.   
      
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