From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:19:04 -0500, remove wrote:   
      
   > David Mitchell wrote:   
   >> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:13 -0500, remove wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>David Mitchell wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:23:45 -0500, remove wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>But information can, go faster then the speed of light.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Not in any way that can be used to transfer information, otherwise it   
   >> would violate GR, I am told.   
   >>   
   >> You could argue that the value of the properties being measured is   
   >> transferred; but that can't be used (by us) to convey information.   
   >>   
   > As I said;   
   > You can not have the comfortable Newtonian world where everything that   
   > happens is predictable and where one measurement site could not affect   
   > another set of measurements being preformed light years away, at a   
   > distance that a light-signal could not bridge.   
   >   
   > You need me to rephrase this?   
      
   You could; but it would be a waste of time, since you haven't addressed   
   the point: which is that information cannot travel faster than light in   
   any way that we can use.   
      
   Aspect's experiments showed that EPR is "real"; but that has no bearing on   
   what _you_ consider to be the underlying mechanisms of QM.   
      
   You have still to answer why you think that the Copenhagen Interpretation   
   is necessarily correct, and precisely what that has to do with OBE's; but   
   I'm beginning to suspect that you're probably just a troll, (maybe even   
   one we've seen before, using, another, different nym).   
      
   If you'd like to discuss the issues, I'm all for it; but if you just want   
   to waltz in and toss a few insults around, I already _have_ people to do   
   that, thank you, and I'd like to welcome you into my killfile.   
      
   By the way, even Newtonian mathematics is not entirely predictable -   
   orbital mechanics are chaotic.   
      
   I think that perhaps if you knew as much about physics as you purport to,   
   you would have said "Einsteinian" rather than "Newtonian".   
      
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