From: janice@mailinator.com   
      
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   david@edenroad.demon.co.uk says...   
   >On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:04:39 -0800, Celestial_Sounds wrote:   
      
   >> Now there are people who are NOT having solid experiences. Why? One   
   >> thing I see about those who ARE having solid and undeniably verified   
   >> out-of-body experiences are that they are OBSESSED with OBE. They MASTER   
   >> it.   
   >   
   >There's more to it than that.  Janice was a "master" by this   
   >classification; but now believes thay are subjective experiences.   
      
   Actually I believed they were subjective experiences for most of the time   
   that I was a "master" (meaning the ten years or so that I was daily   
   inducing OBEs and LDs practically at will).  It didn't take me long to   
   see that I wasn't getting the paranormal results I was expecting from my   
   OBE and remote viewing efforts.  After about 7 years I tried doing   
   psychic dreaming experiments when I hooked up with some people who were   
   interested in that, but the results once again were not too encouraging.   
      
   So, yes, Cezyl, mark me down in your notes as an example of someone who   
   was obsessed yet still didn't get verifiable experiences.  A couple   
   points of difference between me and some of the people you mention,   
   though, were that 1) I had not read a whole lot about OBEs and 2) I   
   fairly quickly lost interest in trying to have verifiable experiences   
   because it was so much fun creating my own personal OBE world instead.   
   :-)   
      
   I admire your determination, by the way, and thought it was interesting   
   that you had examples of potentially shared experiences in which one   
   party considered himself to have been OB whereas the other considered   
   himself to have been dreaming.  Have you read anything on experiments   
   with shared dreaming?  They seem to be pretty popular in the "dream   
   community," and might add an interesting sideline to your research.   
      
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