From: lorz@bellsouth.net   
      
   David Mitchell wrote:   
   > On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:25:13 -0800, Celestial_Sounds wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   >>Interesting question. I don't know. I would conclude first off that   
   >>something I am doing is wrong, and practice and experiment trying to   
   >>correct it, or to develop myself to overcome.   
   >   
   >   
   > All good, logical, things to do.   
   > But what will you do when you find yourself in the position in which   
   > Janice found herself: capable almost at will of highly   
   > realistic (at times) "real-world" OBE's, which are, nonetheless, not   
   > objectively real?   
   >   
   >   
   >>>Yes.  My hidden agenda is, of course, to turn you back onto science.   
   >>   
   >>:-)   
   >   
   >   
   >>Would you please share what motivates you to try to 'get me on the   
   >>right track'?   
   >   
   >   
   > Lots of things, and, to be honest, it's a bit like jazz - if you don't   
   > think that knowledge and understanding are valid goals in their own right,   
   > then I don't think I'll ever convince you that they are.   
   >   
   > In summary: a mind is a terrible thing to waste.   
   >   
      
   There are those that try to do the same by claiming one must be "reborn"   
   or "accepting Jesus!" to have knowledge and understanding too.   
      
   Others would call that being fanatical, no?   
      
   While I agree with *you* that Science is a *good* thing, I don't believe   
   it should be forced any more than "Jesus!"   
      
   Nothing wrong with subjectiveness is there? As far as discussion goes.   
      
     I don't believe science has all the answers either, in regards to   
   OBE's or just plain ole dreaming for that matter.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)