From: lorz@bellsouth.net   
      
   David Mitchell wrote:   
   > On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:35:33 -0500, lorz wrote:   
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   >   
   >>>In summary: a mind is a terrible thing to waste.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>There are those that try to do the same by claiming one must be "reborn"   
   >>or "accepting Jesus!" to have knowledge and understanding too.   
   >>   
   >>Others would call that being fanatical, no?   
   >>   
   >>While I agree with *you* that Science is a *good* thing, I don't believe   
   >>it should be forced any more than "Jesus!"   
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   >   
   > I disagree, to an extent.  I think that everyone should be taught some   
   > simple basics of science, and techniques for critical thinking, including   
   > how and when to use it in real life - whether they do so, of course, is up   
   > to them thereafter.   
   >   
      
   Agreed   
      
   >   
   >>Nothing wrong with subjectiveness is there? As far as discussion goes.   
   >   
   >   
   > It depends on the point of the discussion, if there is one, IMO.   
   > If it's a mutual admiration society, where the goal is to inspire and   
   > motivate, then by all means: bring out the nonsense.   
      
   There probably are a lot that just want to "inspire". Look at religion   
   (once again), based pretty much on faith and anecdotal subjective   
   experiences, no scientific evidence there.   
      
      
   >   
   > But if anyone's looking for answers, crack open the science books!   
   >   
   > OPMMV, of course ;-)   
      
   OPMMV?   
      
      
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   >   
   >>  I don't believe science has all the answers either, in regards to   
   >>OBE's or just plain ole dreaming for that matter.   
   >   
   >   
   > No, it doesn't; but I suspect it has more than most people think - they   
   > just refuse to accept them.   
      
   Sure, I'll agree with you there.   
      
   >   
   > More to the point, at some time it will - a claim that a more "subjective"   
   > approach will never be able to make with any authority.   
   >   
      
   At same time it will --  for that time being maybe? In science we often   
   see theories and such updated, so to speak.   
      
   I agree subjectiveness won't ever be the authority *but* it may help to   
   understand and perhaps eliminate possibilities. I'm just saying it's a   
   useful tool as well.   
      
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