XPost: alt.magick, alt.drugs.psychedelics, misc.misc
From: MM@spittle.zippo.nu
gnostic entropy wrote in message
news:<20030120142656.R65762-100000@demiurge.ieng.washington.edu>...
> On 17 Jan 2003, ; ; m o n k wrote:
>
> > gnostic entropy wrote in message
news:<20030117090732.T59593-100000@demiurge.ieng.washington.edu>...
> >
> > > > i'm not in need of hallucinogens to sense an energy ball, and wasn't
> > > > expecting to hear anything but what you were willing to give
> > > >
The psychical connection brought about by chemical means is different
from mechanical methods. I've tried both and I can tell you that from
personal experience!
> > >
> > > That's good. I played with this for a long time with various chemicals,
> > > which has put me at a severe disadvantage now that I'm determined to not
> > > use them.
> > >
> > hmmm . . . i hope you recognize there's probably a way to put your
> > experience and result in a positive light
>
> Damn right there is. My brain is pretty firmly set in the "here and now"
> of normal reality, so if not for strange experiences on chemicals I
> wouldn't have realized there was a larger universe to explore. On the
> plus side that means I don't go wandering afield in fantasy land with the
> slightest stimulus, but on the minus side it means I have to work harder
> for these abnormal cognitions.
>
> >
> > > > undoubtedly some of the more experienced porjectors or lucid dreamers
> > > > would see this vortex in their paranormal state, if that was their
> > > > intention
> > > >
> > >
> > > Interesting. Is that at all related to that "spinning" thing some
authors
> > > recommend to stay in the dream or astral state?
> > >
> > well, that would be to maintain lucidity, or to strengthen lucidity
> > and clarity i guess, so no, but, maybe when that happens the person is
> > working with a vortex
> >
> > so, i guess it would be to know what the vortes was being created and
> > used for, if the end result was the same then mayabe yes, now that
> > doesn't help much does it, a no and yes in a row . . . ;)
> >
> > > > what is '3d sigil', 3D signal?
Not sure about thta. Everytime I get it going on I find that all
symbols fail.
> > >
> > > A sigil is intent or meaning coded into an image, symbol, or structure.
> > > Standard theory (as I understand it) would require a premeditated set of
> > > actions, whether artistic (statement of desire reduced to a symbol,
> > > impressionistic image reduced to symbol, etc.) or mechanical (drawn off
of
> > > magic squares, systematic use of symbols, etc.) while this is more of an
> > > automatic generation based on linguistic distortion of an energy pattern.
> > >
> > huh, never'd heard of that! but makes sense, to increase the potency
> > of a thought or idea, what do you mean by' linguistic distortion of .
> > . ."
> >
>
> Look up any boring ol' 'Chaos Magick' site for a better explanation of
> sigils, as for the 'linguistic distortion' have you ever tried talking
> while holding the energy ball? Like trying to shape it with your voice?
>
> > > I guess the vortex would be the channel or path or gateway.
> > >
> > > When it has been generated there seems to be an increased malleability of
> > > perception to will (seeing what you're thinking) and synchronicity. This
> > > is why I thought it would be sufficiently related to what gravol was
> > > talking about to merit discussion.
> >
> > huh, again, it reminds me of accounts of obes, of seeing thoughts and
> > thought energy, or experiencing 'rotes' (as robert monroe calls them),
> > non-verbal 'chunks' of energetic information that are instantly
> > uderstood when they are perceived
> >
>
> I haven't tried any 'projection' techniques in many, many years, I
> remember they were quite painful. I should probably look into that again.
> Any newer or better techniques come about lately?
>
> > thanks for the feedback ge!
> >
>
> you too, monk!
Interesting.
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