XPost: alt.religion.eckankar, alt.meditation.shabda   
   From: kahlahm@att.not   
      
   "empty room"  wrote ...   
   >   
   > On Sat, 21 May 2005 16:52:00 GMT, "Ken"  wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"empty room"  wrote ...   
   >>>   
   >>> On 20 May 2005 08:57:39 -0700, "lackpurity"  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>Proclaiming to be a Master, and actually being one are two different   
   >>>>things.  Let's use a little discernment on that.  Many have been   
   >>>>deceived by impostors, no doubt.  That doesn't mean that True Masters   
   >>>>don't exist.   
   >>>   
   >>> This is true. If I should ever happen to come across a True Master,   
   >>> I will not hesitate to make his or her acquaintance and   
   >>> seek their guidance. However, there certainly isn't any shortage   
   >>> of egotistical and self deluded or deliberately deceptive fake masters   
   >>> around; more than one can shake a stick at, in fact. These fake   
   >>> masters are easy to spot, however; if one is paying attention. All   
   >>> one needs to do is watch the actions of these fake masters for a   
   >>> short while and their actions will give them away without fail. The   
   >>> truth reveals itself to those who sincerely seek it. However, if one   
   >>> is blinded by egotistical desire for power, status, exotic experiences,   
   >>> spiritual 'superiority', etc., one will more likely than not end up at the   
   >>> door of a fake master. Such is the way of things. The ego has its   
   >>> function, but we are not our egos.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>So empty suit, you think that you have the inside track on what   
   >>characteristics mark a Master?  So clear is your insight that you   
   >>believe can define who others should choose to be their teacher?   
   >   
   > No, I did not say that. Why do you wish to distort my words? To be   
   > sure, I said nothing about "teachers".  I was talking about fake masters   
   > and the possibility of existence of "True Masters". I said that it is easy   
   > to spot a *fake* master, if one is paying attention. I have no idea if   
   > there is even such a thing as a "True Master", however; the fake ones   
   > are a dime a dozen, and they are easy to spot by those who are paying   
   > attention as fake masters are invariably living contradictions of their   
   > own words. Those whose actions contradict their own words are   
   > clearly fakes, of that there can be no doubt.   
      
      
   "Teacher" or "Master", what words you use to describe a self-   
   proclaimed or appointed spiritual leader is irrelevant.  My point was,   
   by your words you are claiming that you know who is a fake and who   
   is true in a universal sense, so that it would seem to apply to everyone.   
   I say that's impossible and you are simply playing in illusion.   
      
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