From: kiwi@ing.notin.aus
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david@edenroad.demon.co.uk says...
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>On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 08:29:43 +0000, Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:
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>> OK, I won't be replying to any of his posts anymore, since there is
>> no point in doing so.
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>Coward.
There is such a wish not to be insulting and rude.
That is my wish. Not to be incited by name calling to do the same.
There is no logic to that.
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>> We don't agree, and will never be able to agree on anything.
>> When he resorts to name calling - I guess that shows what he is like.
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>I like to start the name-calling early, it saves time, since all usenet
>discussions eventually degenerate into arguments.
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>> There is nothing wrong with wanting proof - we all want it.
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>It doesn't look much like that to me.
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>> Reason and logic will have to suffice in the meantime to sort out which
>> is more likely to be plausible or not.
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>Hilarious.
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>So you think it more likely that:
>Aliens travelled trillions of miles through space to find earth, and when
>they get there they appear only to a non-entity living in the arse-end of
>nowhere.
>Although they make contact with him, they act like fakes, so that people
>won't be forced into believing in them (in which case, why bother?)
>They pass incorrect information through him (again, presumably so as not
>to be too convincing), and withold anything which would actually prove
>their case, although they take him into the future so that he can make
>convincing prophecies.
Logic - why land on the white house lawn, on a monument to a corrupted
government who only makes the world troublespots worse than what they are.
This world is 'mad' - turn on the news, read the media, etc.
All western civilisation has done is to corrupt the native peoples and
decimate them in one way or another, disrupting their society entirely.
So why should any advanced alien civilisation wish contact with us?
We have little to offer them, except madness and corruptness.
Trillions of miles of space? Means nothing to ETs who have the capability
to traverse that amount of space. You're thinking the mind of a limited
human, who believes that the speed of light limits space travel, that
UFOs cannot possibly exist because that space travel cannot be faster
than the speed of light, etc.
And that 'earth' is rare, as far inhabitable planets goes, etc. That humans
are rare.
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>than:
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>A random nutter fakes photographs using simple camera trickery and models.
Hmmm random nutter?
Exactly the sort of comments expected, when someone who genuinely presents
a UFO story to the public, gets labelled with.
You don't bother to read all the material available about Billy Meier -
there are negative criticisms, and positive ones. You seem to biased heavily
to the negative views without acknowledging the other side.
I am aware of both sides, but not with all the details of the negative
criticisms - the ones you've mentioned are not valid, nor have I heard/read
of them being valid. Your claims don't fit the evidence.
I know that Billy Meier's wife was disgruntled and disappointed with him,
and she was certainly fed up with all the publicity etc. So in leaving him,
she may have said some things she regrets saying now?
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>Hmm, lets see, is there any evidence to support either side?
>Well, the trickery is obvious under enhancement, and the models are
>discovered. He pretends that he has a photograph of one of them; but when
>this is shown to be a photo of an ordinary model, he claims that his
>photograph has been stolen, and the fake substituted instead (but there is
>no evidence to support this claim, apart from his word). He claims to have
>travelled into the future; but "evidence" he produces to support his
>story, is also a fake.
Billy Meier says many, many, many things which sounds like science fiction
or even fantasy - but so would things described today - 100 years ago, 500
and 1000 years ago. Guess how old the Plejaren civilisation is? Far older than
you can ever imagine... and what is more impressive, it was continuous, and
not stop start all over again, as ours has been. Time and time again.
The Plejaren view is perfectly sensible - though they do not understand
humankind that well. They failed to understand how to present themselves to
our kind in a convincing manner - but at the same time, they do not wish to
create widespread panic nor revolution instigated by them. They would rather
us evolve by our own impetus and thinking.
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>So, on the one hand, you have a starfaring civilisation behaving in an
>implausibly illogical way, and on the other hand you have a known liar and
>faker.
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>What does logic tell you now?
Logic tells me you are not impartial nor willing to look at both sides
fairly and intelligently, that you do not know about the technical information
and details regarding faking photographs, especially of the early 80s'.
Taking photographs of models suspended by string (or fishing line, etc) or on
a stick, would plainly be obvious. I do not have a copy of, nor seen the
coffee table book of Meier's UFO photographs. No publisher would publish a
book of the type of photographs you describe - but of remarkable and
outstanding photographs for the world to see. Also note - one of Meier's
UFO photographs went through a stringent process of enlargement for a poster,
and revealed detail of the UFO.
There is such a thing as integrity - which you seem to lack.
Heard of Klass? Who pooh poohs the validity of UFOs. I guess you believe him
100%?
Harvey
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