From: kiwi@ing.notin.aus   
      
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   TheGardenOfToads@nospam.yahoo.co.uk says...   
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   >X wrote:   
   >> Yo TOAD. Seeing if you're still here sharing and learning...   
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   >> X   
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   >Hello!   
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   >Yep - still around (albeit a little infrequently at the moment).   
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   >I'm trying to put together a method of producing an OOBE from a lucid   
   >dream. The other way that I have had OOBE's has always involved the   
   >'vibrational state' and a varied mixture of 'snapping wide awake' with   
   >confounding noises and crazy visual goings-on. In short - it always   
   >scares the crap out of me!   
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   > From a lucid dream - I've never had such feelings of fear (in fact, my   
   >feelings have been the opposite).   
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   >Slow going at the moment. Nothing concrete worth posting.   
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   >Greetings to you!   
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   >TOAD   
      
      
   Some comments - if I may ...   
      
   I think it's like going after a holy grail - something that won't   
   be achievable for everyone.   
   The impression I got - is that some people have it, the ability and   
   for those who don't naturally have it occurring, that it requires   
   a spiritual, detached and enlightened mindset to achieve it.   
   To simply have a method that everyone can use and achieve it will   
   change this world entirely - take everyone to the next level of   
   awareness/consciousness/etc.   
      
   People may say - Oh, I'll use the ability to achieve some financial   
   or personal gain, etc. Well it is said, you can't.   
   At the same time - if you use it to gain knowledge - to know the truth   
   about things, etc --- that would change the knowledge base of present   
   day reality. Politicians would be rendered useless - we can at last have   
   some genuine people who'll make decisions for the good of mankind without   
   financial gain, etc.   
      
   I thought there was someone who devised a method that anyone could   
   achieve OOBEs - that it was mentioned on Oprah a few years ago?   
   But I never heard much more about it - not that I wanted Oprah regularly   
   tben...   
      
   Harvey   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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