From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 03:13:58 +0000, LH wrote:   
      
   >   
   > "David Mitchell"  wrote in message   
   > news:pan.2005.06.08.16.47.09.123728@edenroad.demon.co.uk...   
   >> On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:51:10 +0000, LH wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> I believe you won't have a plausible explanation for that, am I right?   
   >>>   
   >>> You are tricky.  :-) Part of being in the physical universe is accepting   
   >>> the   
   >>> laws associated with it.  While on a conscious level of awareness you may   
   >>> not know about such things as microbes or radiation, on a superconscious   
   >>> level you are aware of them.  You accepted their existence before your   
   >>> visit.  A better question would be, what belief about yourself do you   
   >>> hold   
   >>> that got you into the experience of microbes or radiation in the first   
   >>> place?   
   >>   
   >> If you are alive, you will experience (and rely on) the microbes in your   
   >> gut.   
   >   
   > It's the same concept only in this case the microbes are beneficial.   
      
   I'm afraid I can't parse this.   
   I was trying to examine your point: "A better question would be, what   
   belief about yourself do you hold that got you into the experience of   
   microbes or radiation in the first place?", by showing that exposure to   
   microbes is not a matter of choice; and I really don't understand your   
   answer.   
      
   >   
   >> It seems to me that you are using a definition of "believe" rather   
   >> different to the usual one.   
   >   
   > Normally, when I say you get what you believe, I'm talking more on a macro   
   > level.  For instance, you believe on some level of mind that "money is   
   > evil".  With this belief it will be nearly impossible to poses and/or   
   > acquire vast sums of money.  That is of course not necessarily true, if you   
   > also believe you're evil than having/acquiring lots of money my be just   
   > find.   
   >   
   > It can be very complicated because most people hold lots of beliefs and many   
   > are conflicting.  Still as a grand total, you get what you believe.  Think   
   > of your life as the summation of your beliefs, or   
   >   
   > Your life = Sum (belief[1] + belief[2] + ... + belief[n]).   
      
   This still doesn't work, it's precisely the sort of thing I was showing   
   you didn't make sense ("This water is perfectly clear, so I believe it's   
   safe to drink").   
      
   >   
   > For example IMO, you believe that logic and reason are the only valid   
   > approaches to take in life (you may argue with this, but I think if we took   
   > a vote, you'd lose).   
      
   I will accept your gross oversimplification for the sake of argument.   
   -)   
      
   > Because of this belief all information that comes into   
   > your system/mind gets filter to check for a match with this belief.  This   
   > also attracts to you sources of information that on aggregate reinforce the   
   > belief.  This belief makes it hard for you to relate to others who hold   
   > different beliefs and it makes it difficult for you to consider opposing   
   > ideas (I will say sometimes you do almost let your guard down :)).   
      
   I will accept your gross oversimplification for the sake of argument.   
      
   > More   
   > importantly, in the world of the subtle, it will tend to block many things   
   > from your awareness; Things that might be perceived if the belief was less   
   > restrictive.  -- Lonnie   
      
    rubbish    
      
   -)   
      
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